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Petition to remove pvp ship combat from high sec.

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Jur Tissant
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#41 - 2014-09-17 18:56:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Jur Tissant
OP, I understand if you want to play a game where PVP is optional - this is a completely reasonable desire - and there are MMOs out there where this is entirely possible. However, that is not this MMO. You are suggesting a complete overhaul to some of EVE's core principles - specifically, the danger of being out in space and the high-sec criminal playstyle. High-sec ganking accounts for billions of ISK loss every day and removing it will have a noticeable effect on the ship market.

I don't support CODE but I do appreciate that they play their role in a player-driven universe. I have also never been ganked by CODE while mining, mostly because I find systems which are out of their influence. I would encourage you to do the same - relocating to avoid your enemies is part of the game.

Finally, let's not be throwing the word sociopath around. These players are blowing up your fake spaceships for entertainment value. They are not causing real-world violence or distress - if getting your video game freighter/barge blown up causes you real-world emotional issues then that's a personal problem which you should probably address.
Wingmate
Perkone
Caldari State
#42 - 2014-09-17 19:11:38 UTC
ShahFluffers wrote:
Wingmate wrote:
this entire thread's just going to be a bunch of month-old miners circle-jerking and QQing about how this isn't hello kitty online, though, so i don't know why i tried.

In that case... let us revisit and laugh at your corporation's recruitment promo. Lol


1. that dude was sooooooo drunk =)
2. i don't think he talked about mining?
5. this thread is a joke
D. numbers are hard

i make spreadsheets for pretty cheap. contact me for more info.

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=197433
afkalt
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#43 - 2014-09-17 19:12:05 UTC
You won't know your worth now, son, until you take a hit.


Now you know.
chaosgrimm
Synth Tech
#44 - 2014-09-17 19:39:17 UTC
I'm not one to support highsec ganking, but completely removing all combat from highsec is pretty extreme. Besides Indy peeps also profit from selling replacements to ppl who lose ships to highsec PvP.
Bronson Hughes
The Knights of the Blessed Mother of Acceleration
#45 - 2014-09-17 19:47:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Bronson Hughes
I'm guessing that this thread is being posted in relation to your recent loss of roughly a billion ISK being hauled by an Iteron V. Instead of calling to remove PvP from a PvP game, you should take this as a learning experience:

1. Hisec is not safe. It is "safer". Plan all in-space activities accordingly.
2. Don't ever put a billion ISK worth of cargo into a million ISK hull. Ever. Just don't. Don't even think about it. You may as well paint a giant target on your ship and announce your desire to be ganked in Local.
3. If you must haul expensive goods, consider breaking the hauling up into multiple smaller loads. Doing so makes you an exponentially less possible target because you are less worth the risk, and because you can likely be in a much more mobile or well-tanked ship. Splitting your load of Quantum Microprocessors up into thirds would have allowed you to haul them in a nimble Nereus instead of a slow Iteron V. (EDIT: But even this would have been a bad idea overall because you'd still be overloading a fragile hull with expensive goods. A Blockade runner would have been a much better choice.)
4. Don't autopilot. Ever. I don't know if you were autopiloting at the time of your loss or not, but it's still important to know.

EvE is a PvP game. If you want to play, be prepared to PvP even if you don't want to.

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Sarah Flynt
Red Cross Mercenaries
Silent Infinity
#46 - 2014-09-17 19:55:46 UTC
Benton Risalo wrote:
I don't know about everyone else, but I know that I'm not alone in this.
You're not alone in this. But just like the others who say the same, you're also very much wrong. Over time you'll learn why (hopefully).

Benton Risalo wrote:
I'm tired of having my ships destroyed in high sec while I'm carrying expensive goods.
Then maybe you should start asking yourself: "What can *I* do to prevent that? The ten haulers that passed the gate before me did not get blown up, why me then?". Once you start asking these questions and stop blaming the game for everything, you're halfway there! Which brings me to your next point:

Benton Risalo wrote:
I'm tired of not being able to retaliate against people like the agents of New Order because I lack the isk, guns, and skills to do so.
You're tired of it, great (seriously)! This should give you enough motivation to start investigating:
- why your recent loss happened
- how to minimize the risk of getting your stuff blown up in the future
- how to retaliate against gankers or even prevent them from blowing others up

You'll learn that you can already start going after gankers in a cheap T1 frigate with cheap T1 modules with just a few hours worth of skills.

You'll eventually learn that the most important things in this game are not ISK, not guns and not skills: it's learning how game mechanics work (details matter!), how to use them to your advantage and - making friends.

Sick of High-Sec gankers? Join the public channel Anti-ganking and the dedicated intel channel Gank-Intel !
ISD Ezwal
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#47 - 2014-09-17 22:59:10 UTC
Right, first of, the OP has the right to post an idea*) to discuss and has the right to expect a civil and healthy discussion as a result. You don't have to agree, but post your arguments in a civil manner please.

That said, I have removed some rule breaking posts and those quoting them. As always I let some edge cases stay.

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Legetus Shmoof Metallii
Resilience.
The Initiative.
#48 - 2014-09-18 00:19:55 UTC
I despise High Sec PVPers. Gankers are utter garbage, talentless fools who couldn't fight a real ship that shot back. CODE is probably the worst alliance in EVE. Those wardeccing corps like Marmite that have to pay to shoot someone without CONCORDOKKEN, and are so smug about killing your shiny ship. I hate that playstyle, I think they are cheap and lame and pretty cowardly compared to what I've gone up against (Flying around in a Condor against the full might of the CFC is among the worst of my decisions, but I did live).

However, OP

These play styles are part of the game, they are legitimate and unfair in the EVE way, not the overpowered and unbalanced way. They serve their purpose, and at times those who are part of them can be a little... well... snobby about it (In my experience), they are part of EVE and help make EVE what it is

so

HTFU

O tempora o mores!
Alvatore DiMarco
Capricious Endeavours Ltd
#49 - 2014-09-18 03:15:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Alvatore DiMarco
It is becoming clear to me that a lot of people are now playing MMOs who have no idea what "Trammel" is or what it did to Ultima Online. So for those people, let me leave something educational in this thread:

Ultima Online was a PvP-based MMO. You could kill or be killed anywhere - in town, the guards would come for you right quick, but outside of towns no guards would come. The only thing that happened was some infamy, which certain players enjoyed and took pride in. As I understand it, some of the original developers of EVE were in fact quite high in infamy indeed.

Death was harsh - you lost all your stuff when you died/were killed, as I recall. You could get it back, but only if someone else hadn't looted it from your corpse first.

Then one day, for reasons unknown to me, the company behind Ultima Online introduced "Trammel", an alternate universe of sorts where PvP was disabled. They thought that the hardcore players would stay in the normal world while the carebears would go to Trammel and that both places would exist harmoniously and successfully.

It was, in fact, quite literally the death of that game.

So if you think that EVE Online needs to be Trammelized as well - and I say this as a highsec dweller who is terrible at PvP and just wants to do his own thing - ... well, you can kindly go bugger yourself in the arse with a hot fireplace poker, and then GTFO my cutthroat savagery-game, please. Unfortunately, EVE isn't the game for you and it's time to admit it to yourself.

Also, my pizzas were delicious. I actually still have one of them for later.
Elusive Panda
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#50 - 2014-09-18 04:08:42 UTC
Alvatore DiMarco wrote:
Ultima Online


The memories, such good memories.

Who has the pop-corn now? Come on, pass it along.
Ju0ZaS
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#51 - 2014-09-18 06:11:42 UTC
Pepper Solette wrote:
LOL.

As i look into my crystal ball...............I see a wardec.... no, make that a few wardecs, coming your way.

Time to push the button.

Are you going to fight me or do you expect to bore me to death with your forum pvp?
Tabyll Altol
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#52 - 2014-09-18 06:30:44 UTC
Please only open such threads with the losskillmail would be interested.

PVP in highsec is one of the few things which stable the market, if you create stuff out of nowhere (Bountys/Asteroids) the prices would drop faster than you will say (insert the word of your choise).

The market doesn´t care if your getting ganked if there is a "need" of something which can´t be handeled the prices will rise.

Would be okay for me to remove PVP from highsec if
- There are no Belts in Highsec
- No Rats in Highsec
- No Missions in Highsec
- No Anomalies in Highsec

or to keep it simple nothing you can earn money.


Then have fun to jump with your max cargo hold freighter into lowsec ;)

To keep it short stupid idea with the target to break the game. Not supported

-10000

Anthar Thebess
#53 - 2014-09-18 06:53:21 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#54 - 2014-09-18 06:59:29 UTC
The answers are still the same, OP.

Firstly being "hell no", and the second being "biomass, preferably on a livestream".

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Kagura Nikon
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#55 - 2014-09-18 10:44:31 UTC
Benton Risalo wrote:
I don't know about everyone else, but I know that I'm not alone in this.

I'm tired of having my ships destroyed in high sec while I'm carrying expensive goods. I'm tired of not being able to retaliate against people like the agents of New Order because I lack the isk, guns, and skills to do so.

They call us care bears, but they don't understand that we are the ones who make it possible for them to build their ships. They don't understand that we are the ones who harvest the minerals, ship them, and sell them. And yet, they abuse us. The suicide gankers make it more work than it's worth to mine, ship, and sell.

We might not be the ace pilots that a lot of the Eve community is, but we run the markets and the asteroid belts. If we wanted to fight in pvp combat, we would go to low or null sec space.

Personally, I joined Eve because it looked like a fun space sim, and it's a good game, for the most part, but I recently quit because I don't want to deal with the suicide gankers anymore. I'm taking a stand against allowing this kind of behavior, and if I have to stand alone at first, then I will. It saddens me to see such a great game stained by the company that made it.

I know, a lot of you are going to call me a carebear crybaby, and what not, but I don't really care. I know there are others out there who feel the way I do, and CCP might listen if we all raise our voices together.

I know there have been attempts like this in the past, but we have lacked unity and persistence. I will persist when others tire. I will unite us when we are divided. I will bring the carebears together, and together we will crush the suicide gankers and wannabe Concord agents into the dirt.

CCP will listen to us. They will change. They will submit to the will of the community.

EDIT: I just saw that LackofFaith suggested that I should post this in another forum. Please link it. I don't come on here much, and I don't know which forum you're talking about.

Edit: Nevermind. Found it.



GO to Null sec if you want safety.

No HIGH SEC IS NOT ABOUT BEING SAFE!!! READ THE DAMM GAME PREMISES BEFORE WRITING HORRIBLE THREADS.

"If brute force does not solve your problem....  then you are  surely not using enough!"
Kagura Nikon
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#56 - 2014-09-18 10:48:37 UTC
Adrie Atticus wrote:
I tried PvP in hisec but they guys docked up when they hit 80% armor except one of them who got caught on previous gate.



Then you are really bad. Because Since i changed to high sec, I can get about 5 times more quality PVP than I Used to get in 0.0 (no 500 vs 500 fights is NOT quality pvp).

You just need to use skills and not rely completely on your blob to give you killmails.

"If brute force does not solve your problem....  then you are  surely not using enough!"
Daichi Yamato
Jabbersnarks and Wonderglass
#57 - 2014-09-18 11:34:46 UTC
Benton Risalo wrote:


They call us care bears, but they don't understand that we are the ones who make it possible for them to build their ships. They don't understand that we are the ones who harvest the minerals, ship them, and sell them. And yet, they abuse us. The suicide gankers make it more work than it's worth to mine, ship, and sell.



Carebear is not synonymous with miner or industrialist. Not all of us hate PvP, many of us revel in it Twisted.

if all you PvP hating carebears quit tomorrow, there are plenty of us that would still mine, we would still build. And we'd make a fortune if you werent about.

EVE FAQ "7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY? No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided"

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Vertixen Corleone
Grupa Operacyjna ZLY CHUJI
Unicorns from Hell
#58 - 2014-09-18 11:47:24 UTC
Remove High-sec = more ppl's in null's/low's/wh's = more fun and PvPz0rs for us, TOTALLY YEAH !!
Fer'isam K'ahn
SAS Veterinarians
#59 - 2014-09-18 12:02:42 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
The answers are still the same, OP.

Firstly being "hell no", and the second being "biomass, preferably on a livestream".

Hell No...

Your suggestion is about how to make EVE not EVE ... any hint as to why we disagree with you ?!
Samillian
Angry Mustellid
#60 - 2014-09-18 12:29:19 UTC
OP, while we are diametrically opposed on this issue and I believe your cause doomed before it begins I respect your willingness to make a stand no matter how forlorn your hope.

Should you by some strange twist of fate get your desire it would be a dark day for New Eden and mean the loss of a unique MMO.

Not supported.

NBSI shall be the whole of the Law