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Career: Explorer/Salvager hybrid - a good idea?

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Wice Breau
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2014-09-15 15:16:53 UTC
Hello EVE Players.

I'm a rather new player in the EVE universe. I've been doing lots of research online for guides and informations regarding the explorer career and after the tutorials and some solo explorations I must say it's my bread and butter.

Unfortunately most of the guides I've found were old - and by old i mean a-few-patches-back old.

Then I thought to myself that if some explore missions involve PvE combat (sometimes PvP if I stumble on an agressive capsuleer),
then I should at least salvage what's left from the wrecks to maximise my ISK / exploration values.

So I came to this specific question: Is it profitable, cost-worthy and 'not-a-bad-idea' to go for a explorer/salvager hybrid ?

If so, what ships, skills, fitting etc. would you recommend ?

I'm still searching the web for more info and reading several blogs, guides, the evewiki etc. to get my own opinion.
But there are often things I can't understand due to my low EvE experience.

Much apprieciated.
Areen Sassel
Dirac Angestun Gesept
#2 - 2014-09-15 15:55:35 UTC
Wice Breau wrote:
Then I thought to myself that if some explore missions involve PvE combat (sometimes PvP if I stumble on an agressive capsuleer), then I should at least salvage what's left from the wrecks to maximise my ISK / exploration values.


The thing about combat exploration sites is that you're unlikely to be running most of them, especially the higher-yield ones, in an eggshell explorer. You can get a reasonable amount of firepower in some of the hulls by toting around light drones - better yet, T2 lights - but then you aren't _also_ mounting a full rack of salvage drones.

You are certainly not, on an exploring fit, going to be fighting off any aggressive capsuleers.

(Of course, the Stratios mounts a fair amount of punch as well as exploring, but a new player isn't going to be buzzing about in a Stratios).

So in practice to sensibly exploit these sites takes two ships - alt, buddy, or swapping midway - one to find them, and one to go in there and blow things up (at which point the explorer might take care of salvaging to speed up operations).

Another possible application is ninja salvaging, where you scan down other people running sites and salvage their wrecks (this only works in highsec, where they can't just blow you up); obviously, it is not a very good way to make friends.
Livonia Velorea
The Fiendish Pixies
#3 - 2014-09-15 17:24:46 UTC
I honestly can't see much of a reason to salvage a scanned combat site, you do them primarily for the chance of dropping valuble loot from the key faction npc or structure spawns. The more time you spend running/salvaging ect just means you are giving your competition more time to stumble onto the site themselves. Imo you are best of just running the combat sites with speed in mind.

As for needing to change ship or flying a sub par fit I say to you... use a mobile depot so you can swap fits in space. There's no need to reship or use an alt, just take all the modules you need for both the exploration and travel as well as the combat. If you want more help aimed at exploring there are some in game channels, the only one that I can remember of the top of my head is Explore-EVE.

I pew you too! <3

Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
Working Stiffs
#4 - 2014-09-15 17:30:18 UTC
I have an alt that does both salvaging and exploration, but not at the same time.

It is rather hard to combine the two on one hull.
Shiloh Templeton
Cheyenne HET Co
#5 - 2014-09-15 20:13:53 UTC
Salvaging profit has been diminished by CCP since the days when it was suggested as a starter career for new players. You may find it's worth it if you have an interest in Industry as the salvage is used to manufacture rigs.

Try it if you're interested, just don't sink a lot of SP into it. With an Astero or Stratios its easy to carry a set of salvage drones along with a mobile tractor unit to clear the field. Salvage Drones III will do the job, Salavge Drones IV a little faster. A Noctis with a set of salvage modules is probably not worth it these days.

Note that with DED 4 sites in high sec you probably don't want to take the time to salvage during the run or someone may jump into your site and try to poach any faction loot at the end.

Julius Cabeki
Huola Industrial Development
#6 - 2014-09-15 20:17:52 UTC
Some explorers salvage player t2 and t3 wrecks in null sec while they look for relic sites.
Gizznitt Malikite
Agony Unleashed
Agony Empire
#7 - 2014-09-15 20:56:47 UTC

Salvaging t2 wrecks in nullsec used to be very profitable. When I started out, I used to pay for all my PvP by salvaging the wrecks of ships I destroyed. Sadly, the days of 25m isk Armor Plates is gone, as exploration sites flood the market with t2 salvage. Luckily, t2 rigs are now becoming popular, which is helping to keep salvage at a reasonable level.

In short, you can make a little extra isk salvaging wrecks, but think of it as a nice to have additional feature of your ship. If you have three highs, put on the salvager.
Jur Tissant
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#8 - 2014-09-15 22:59:36 UTC
If you can't think of a way to fill an extra high slot then a salvager couldn't hurt. Just make sure you always have a cloak if you're exploring in low or null (covops for null). But you're unlikely to be running combat sites in an exploration frigate and relic/data sites do not contain enemies except in WH space (and null ghost sites).
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#9 - 2014-09-16 07:01:33 UTC  |  Edited by: DeMichael Crimson
Hello and welcome to Eve.

For a new player just starting out in exploration, just remember you'll be competing with a lot of other explorers in high security so be prepared to do some traveling.

As soon as possible invest into Sisters Probe Launcher / Sisters Core Probes and train up your exploration skills at least to level 4.

Scanning Skills

Astrometrics
Astrometric Acquisition
Astrometric Rangefinding
Astrometric Pinpointing

As a new player you should have received a T1 scanning Frigate from one of the Career Agents. For starting out use that to find and run the various Data and Relic sites (Hacking skill & Archaeology skill). There's no NPC's in those sites so you don't have to worry too much about fitting up a lot of Offensive and Defensive modules on your ship. Those sites will earn you ISK by selling the loot gained from those sites.

While scanning down those Cosmic Signature sites, bookmark the Combat sites as well. After running the Data and Relic sites, switch to your T1 Combat Frigate specifically fitted for combat and run the lower level Cosmic Signature combat sites before switching back into your scanning Frigate and moving on to another system.

For Cosmic Signature combat sites, look for Hideout and Lookout sites as well as DED Rated 1/10 and DED Rated 2/10 sites. Those are basically entry level exploration sites that Combat Frigates can easily complete.

Also don't forget to check out Cosmic Anomaly combat sites - Hideaway and Burrow. Specifically the regular types, not the Forlorn or Forsaken types. Those sites don't need to be probed and can be easily and quickly completed in Combat Frigates. Not to mention they'll sometimes spawn a Commander NPC that's hopefully holding Faction loot.

Later after training up skills and moving into Cruisers / Battlecruisers you can start running the larger combat sites such as Watch and Vigil sites as well as DED Rated 3/10 and DED Rated 4/10 sites. By then you should be able to fit up a Probe Launcher onto your Combat ship and just look for those specific sites.

For actually finding systems with exploration sites available, check out the Starmap stats for systems with low amount of population, low amount of NPC kills, etc. Look in areas that are away from the main Trade / Mission hubs.

Information about the various exploration sites are listed in the Evelopedia which can be accessed with the in-game browser.

Salvaging - NPC's in Cosmic Signatures don't really drop a lot of salvage so probably a good idea not to waste time doing that. However definitely salvage the Commander NPC's since they usually give T2 salvage. Now if you really want salvage, the NPC wreck's in Cosmic Anomaly sites will drop more salvage. As with the other skills it's best to train Salvaging skill at least to level 4.

Don't get discouraged, exploration is hit and miss. Just remember the more you invest into it the better chance you'll have of getting good loot.


DMC
Inxentas Ultramar
Ultramar Independent Contracting
#10 - 2014-09-16 07:55:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Inxentas Ultramar
In my experience no site in hisec is worth salvaging except maybe the highest level ones, and L4 missions. And then only if you can make use of the actual salvage. I manufacture a lot of my own rigs but mainly PVE in lowsec, so there are better sites to throw a salvage destroyer or Noctis on top. I prefer to blitz sites and missions and bookmark the pockets, in order to come back later should I have the time / oppurtunity. It's definately not a bad investment to train salvaging to 4 on top of combat skills.
May O'Dark
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#11 - 2014-09-16 08:07:08 UTC
Go to Apanake & Sheroo systems. Fit Expanded Probe Launcher and look for mobile tractor units. There can be tons of BS wrecks next to them, just do not loot wrecks - salvage them. This will not make you criminal.
Wice Breau
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#12 - 2014-09-16 09:09:56 UTC
Great.

Thank you all for the input, I aprieciate it.
All the information made me understand the topic much better.

I think the subject is depleted, thx.

Just a single follow-up question:
Could you explain how to manage the starmap to show
Quote:
systems with low amount of population, low amount of NPC kills, etc.

I actually thought of looking for such systems, to avoid other explorers but I wasn't able to filter the map properly.
The UI is pretty confusing sometimes.
May O'Dark
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#13 - 2014-09-16 09:46:33 UTC
Wice Breau wrote:

I actually thought of looking for such systems, to avoid other explorers but I wasn't able to filter the map properly.
The UI is pretty confusing sometimes.


As I tryed to point out, you should look for systems with lots of players, that do L4 missions. That would be best for explorer/salvager carier, IMHO.

But anyway, use dotlan to get an overview of what is going on where, as you can see on example: south and west of Devoid are low activity areas
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#14 - 2014-09-16 10:54:28 UTC
Wice Breau wrote:

Just a single follow-up question:
Could you explain how to manage the starmap to show
Quote:
systems with low amount of population, low amount of NPC kills, etc.

I actually thought of looking for such systems, to avoid other explorers but I wasn't able to filter the map properly.
The UI is pretty confusing sometimes.

Open the map (F10 key) and make sure you have 'Starmap' button (1 of 3 selection buttons located across the top) selected in the 'World Map Control Panel' box. - then select 'Starmap' tab - then select 'Stars' tab - then scroll down and select the sub menu 'Statistics' to expand it - then select whichever stat you'd like to view :

- Average Pilots in Space in the last 30 minutes
- Cynosural Fields
- Escape Pods Destroyed in the Last 24 Hours
- Escape Pods Destroyed in the Last Hour
- Jumps in the Last Hour
- Number of Pilots Currently Docked and Active
- Pirate and Police Ships Destroyed in the Last 24 Hours
- Ships Destroyed in the Last 24 Hours
- Ships Destroyed in the Last Hour
- Station Count

After making your selection, the Starmap will have various sizes of colored Stars showing. Place the mouse pointer over one of the colored Stars to generate a Tool-Tip showing stats for that system.



DMC
J'Poll
MUSE LLP
RAZOR Alliance
#15 - 2014-09-16 13:31:57 UTC
DeMichael Crimson wrote:
Wice Breau wrote:

Just a single follow-up question:
Could you explain how to manage the starmap to show
Quote:
systems with low amount of population, low amount of NPC kills, etc.

I actually thought of looking for such systems, to avoid other explorers but I wasn't able to filter the map properly.
The UI is pretty confusing sometimes.

Open the map (F10 key) and make sure you have 'Starmap' button (1 of 3 selection buttons located across the top) selected in the 'World Map Control Panel' box. - then select 'Starmap' tab - then select 'Stars' tab - then scroll down and select the sub menu 'Statistics' to expand it - then select whichever stat you'd like to view :

- Average Pilots in Space in the last 30 minutes
- Cynosural Fields
- Escape Pods Destroyed in the Last 24 Hours
- Escape Pods Destroyed in the Last Hour
- Jumps in the Last Hour
- Number of Pilots Currently Docked and Active
- Pirate and Police Ships Destroyed in the Last 24 Hours
- Ships Destroyed in the Last 24 Hours
- Ships Destroyed in the Last Hour
- Station Count

After making your selection, the Starmap will have various sizes of colored Stars showing. Place the mouse pointer over one of the colored Stars to generate a Tool-Tip showing stats for that system.



DMC



Oog: Dotlan offers the same functions and can be easier to read.

http://evemaps.dotlan.net

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Wice Breau
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#16 - 2014-09-16 14:49:18 UTC
Thank you all again for the informations.
I'll give the Dotlan a try and tweak around the starmap.

This thread can be closed.
Areen Sassel
Dirac Angestun Gesept
#17 - 2014-09-17 15:01:54 UTC
DeMichael Crimson wrote:
As soon as possible invest into Sisters Probe Launcher / Sisters Core Probes and train up your exploration skills at least to level 4.


These things are not like each other! Sisters probes are pretty cheap, at 4 million a stack; the Sisters launcher is not.