EVE General Discussion

So I was looking at a couple loss mails from people in my corp over the last year and noticed one from our new CEO from his venture mining in nulsec, when he lost a hulk. I was looking at the name of his killers and thought one of the names sounded familiar. After thinking about it for several minutes, I realized where I knew it from. The person that killed him also was the first person to kill one of my ships, a hauler that I was hauling ore in at the time. This was 7 years ago, so it's an amazing coincidence. I've had the character on my contact list as a -10 standings since the day she killed me. Needless to say, I was a little freaked out, but that's not the issue.

In going through my old kill mails from back then, I can not find the one from that incident. I remember it well. I know it happened. In a short conversation afterwards, she taught me a lesson about can flipping that I remember to this day. Despite having been killed, I've appreciated the lesson ever since. There's another one that I can't find either from about the same time, involving a hauler carrying zydrine into lowsec, and the subsequent killing of the pod as well.

TL:DR and question...

My question is, were there circumstances back then that would cause a kill mail to not be created? My first kill mail on the list was from December 23 of 2007. Both missing kill mails should have taken place sometime between October and early December, when Trinity was released. Being 7 years ago, exact dates elude me.

Uploading (unmolested) killmails to 3rd party sites/tools was an honor based system back then.

I've noticed killsmails from long ago vanishing aswel. not sure whats causing it.

I've got nothing in there. I know I've deleted my mail many times over the last few years since they updated to the current mail system. Would they be stored anywhere else? Or would there be any way to recover old, deleted mails that you know of?

Drat, oh well. Thanks for the help in figuring out why its not there. Thats actually bugged me for years, though seeing my first killer on a recent friends kill mail made me really want to know what happened to it. Now I know!

funny thing: killmails back then were...

...actual mails. From CONCORD. Ah those were the days.

Iella Wesirri, I think I found your Badger Mark II loss from way back in the day. You can see it on Battleclinic Here. I hope this is the right one.

Several other things, Way back in the day, you got an evemail from CONCORD whenever you lost a ship or pod, or whenever you had the final blow on a ship. For a while if an NPC had the final blow on a ship they would get the evemail for the kill (And to my knowledge they never posted to anyone's killboards), but they changed that so that if an NPC got the final blow they would send the evemail instead to the player who did the most damage.

Killmails used to only show destroyed modules and did not show dropped modules, this caused a few arguments.

I'm also remembering them not showing the effect of non weapon non tackle modules on the enemy ship. If you had one jammed I don't think ECM showed up. Correct me if I'm wrong. I think there was also a limit on killmail participants which is not difficult to exceed today.

Today your old evemailed killmaills will be in your evemail, under Notifications -> Old. The sender will be CONCORD. Poddings will be titled "Report: Pod Kill - {name of person}" and boat violencings will be titled "Report: Ship Destruction - {name of pilot}"
If you have them don't delete them, once you delete them you will probably never get them back.

Now you get kills on your Combat notification tab (You get your losses on the loss part of the tab, and your final blows on the kill part of the tab, I think CEO's and what have you have a secret combat notification tab somewhere for their corporation or alliance), Also your API, (Which your CEO may have made you use to register for your corporation's killboard, will pull your losses and your final blows).

You will probably not be able to post ancient killmails to a modern killboard. While the format is more or less the same, everything else is different; Ships have different slot layouts and in your case names, modules and missiles are called different things then in the past, and there are probably a few other gotchas that will prevent posting an old unposted kill.

That's actually not the one I was looking for. It is, however, the "other one" had referred to. My first pvp ship death is sadly still missing. I doubt it'll ever be found. That's ok though, I'm thrilled to see that one again! Ahh, my eve youth. Those were the days. So naive. 7 years later, still so much I don't know. Lol!

AND, they read cereal boxes...side panels, too.

My last kill / loss mails are from December 2007, before that they were sent as mails in our inbox, which I can't find either.