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CCP, The music is dull, what happened?

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Charles Muffins
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#21 - 2014-09-13 20:07:34 UTC
EVE music is just depressing elevator music that makes me want to activate self-destruct on my pod Shocked
Hicksimus
Torgue
#22 - 2014-09-13 21:05:13 UTC
They got tired of our 'EvE has sound?' posts so they fired EvE sound.

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Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
#23 - 2014-09-14 11:08:09 UTC
Ms Forum Alt wrote:
Does anyone know why the duke box and the Eve music was removed? I know the .mp3 patent expired, but I wonder if they just didn't want to pay the musician who made it any more. Regardless it's still good to listen to - it really reminds me of the old days.

Oh god - it also reminds me how over the last 10 years my life hasn't really changed at all.

I'm going to go jump off a tall building. Bye. Lol

Actually it was because the jukebox code was old, buggy, and interacted with the rest of the sound system in unpleasant ways, and didn't integrate with modern mp3 (or other) file formats. So to bring it up to date would have been a significant coding work. So rather than delay actual game features for a significant length of time, they removed it so they wouldn't have to spend time working around an obsolete system which limited them in some other ways.

And maintaining an in game player up to date when people already maintain out of game players that are free, (but can't be bundled with commercial software so CCP can't just steal the program and put it inside EVE), seemed a poor use of time to them. Is it sad we lost a feature. Yes. Was that feature worth the cost of something else. Probably not. Could they make it easier to use an out of game player by creating easy download bundles of music and allowing players to submit to those bundles also, probably.
Good Posting
Doomheim
#24 - 2014-09-14 12:21:58 UTC
I stopped paying my sub with real money when they removed the jukebox. I know this is a childish tantrum but i loved it so much and it is the only way i have to express my butthurt feelings.

When i have a headache i don't cut off my head, ccp.
Indahmawar Fazmarai
#25 - 2014-09-14 12:36:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Indahmawar Fazmarai
Nevyn Auscent wrote:
Ms Forum Alt wrote:
Does anyone know why the duke box and the Eve music was removed? I know the .mp3 patent expired, but I wonder if they just didn't want to pay the musician who made it any more. Regardless it's still good to listen to - it really reminds me of the old days.

Oh god - it also reminds me how over the last 10 years my life hasn't really changed at all.

I'm going to go jump off a tall building. Bye. Lol

Actually it was because the jukebox code was old, buggy, and interacted with the rest of the sound system in unpleasant ways, and didn't integrate with modern mp3 (or other) file formats. So to bring it up to date would have been a significant coding work. So rather than delay actual game features for a significant length of time, they removed it so they wouldn't have to spend time working around an obsolete system which limited them in some other ways.

And maintaining an in game player up to date when people already maintain out of game players that are free, (but can't be bundled with commercial software so CCP can't just steal the program and put it inside EVE), seemed a poor use of time to them. Is it sad we lost a feature. Yes. Was that feature worth the cost of something else. Probably not. Could they make it easier to use an out of game player by creating easy download bundles of music and allowing players to submit to those bundles also, probably.


You should know that the game already haves a music player, and the players have limited itneraction with it through the "sound to 0" "shuffle" function. What the current music player lacks, it's a playlist and playback UI.

And it doesn't haves it because someone wanted to create "soundscapes" for EVE, by linking certain themes to certain systems and creating a thematized ambient music generator function for null and WH, which responds to the amount of killings in the system.

Onviously, that someone didn't bothered to ask to the people who actually would pick certain themes to play back at certain times/systems, nor tried to listen to the same 4 themes for an hour while mining. That someone was extremely fascinated by his "soundscapes" idea for the all so important null/WH crowd, which are notorious appreciators of EVE music and sound.
Creamdream
Whatever Brah
#26 - 2014-09-14 12:44:08 UTC
Completely agree. The eve music is beautoiful and only 10% of the tracks are in the game... WTF CCP???
Altirius Saldiaro
Doomheim
#27 - 2014-09-14 13:05:07 UTC
Yeah the music in EVE used to be great, now its just dull.

They should have never removed the jukebox and the music that was there. It pissed off more players than it made players happy.
Felicity Love
Doomheim
#28 - 2014-09-14 13:37:28 UTC
.... JUKEBOX NOW ! !

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Verlyn
Kill'em all. Let Bob sort'em out.
Ushra'Khan
#29 - 2014-09-14 13:37:36 UTC
Crumplecorn wrote:
If you do happen to be using the in-game music, you can skip a track by going into the options and briefly dropping the music volume to 0.


you're a ****.
Prince Kobol
#30 - 2014-09-14 14:21:11 UTC
I am sure we can get the CSM to talk to Whitenoisetrash to... oops, what I mean we can get the CSM to talk to... erm... that new person who has taken over from Whitenoisetrash, you know that guy.
Ekaterina 'Ghetto' Thurn
Department 10
#31 - 2014-09-14 14:27:52 UTC
EVE has music Question

I can't remember the last time I heard or listened to it. It was good when we had the jukebox and you could choose which tracks to listen to. Some plonker got rid of it though. Sad

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Hiply Rustic
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#32 - 2014-09-14 22:39:02 UTC
The original jukebox music is alive and well and living in my iTunes collections. It's trivial to get the files and run them with whatever player floats your boat. They took it out, I put it back. Not that big a deal, even though I liked the feature.

Ralph King-Griffin wrote: "Eve deliberately excludes the stupid and the weak willied." EvE: Only the strong-willied need apply.

TharOkha
0asis Group
#33 - 2014-09-15 06:57:32 UTC
Problem here is not the removal of jukebox.

Problem is removal of certain great tracks completely and that some of the greatest tracks plays only in low sec.

New players are simply cut of from great music of EVE.

And the music was one of the main aspects why i joined this game.

Simple two step solution:

1. There should be an option in audio settings. A check-box "dynamic music = on/off" should solve this problem. And it should be turned off by default so new players would enjoy great EVE music whenever they are in hisec / lowser or any sec.

2. Give us back great tracks like Below the Asteroids, Nouvelle Rouvenor Hero, I Saw Your Ship etc... Those tracks were best and you removed them Evil

Tivookz
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#34 - 2014-09-15 08:28:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Tivookz
I really miss the Jukebox tbh.

Ranger 1 wrote:

The Jukebox was removed because it was:
Substandard.
Buggy.
A pain to maintain.


Painful to maintain? Buggy? what the hell are we paying CCP for anyway if not to maintain / improve stuff?

What's the next step? No character customization at start? Nah, painful to maintain. *gone*.

Market window improvements? Nah that's tricky. *gone*.

Mining? GONE. No need to reboot server.

Epic pvp engagements with thousands of participants? Puts a strain on the server. GONE.

Moving your ship? GONE. GONE MAN, GONE.

Might as well shut down the whole game.
Destination SkillQueue
Doomheim
#35 - 2014-09-15 08:44:01 UTC
Tivookz wrote:
I really miss the Jukebox tbh.

Ranger 1 wrote:

The Jukebox was removed because it was:
Substandard.
Buggy.
A pain to maintain.


Painful to maintain? Buggy? what the hell are we paying CCP for anyway if not to maintain / improve stuff?

What's the next step? No character customization at start? Nah, painful to maintain. *gone*.

It's a matter of priorities as always and no feature is immune to it. There are no infinte dev resources, so you pick and choose which new features to work on and which to ignore/put in the queue. Part of that is deciding how much resources are you going to put in maintaining old features vs developing new ones. With the jukebox the value wasn't there and it wasn't compatible with the plans of future music development which includes partially procedurally done music. Since everyone has a music player on their computer and the music is freely available to anyone who wants it, jukebox was deemed a dead branch in need of pruning.
Tivookz
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#36 - 2014-09-15 09:40:31 UTC
Destination SkillQueue wrote:
Tivookz wrote:
I really miss the Jukebox tbh.

Ranger 1 wrote:

The Jukebox was removed because it was:
Substandard.
Buggy.
A pain to maintain.


Painful to maintain? Buggy? what the hell are we paying CCP for anyway if not to maintain / improve stuff?

What's the next step? No character customization at start? Nah, painful to maintain. *gone*.

It's a matter of priorities as always and no feature is immune to it. There are no infinte dev resources, so you pick and choose which new features to work on and which to ignore/put in the queue. Part of that is deciding how much resources are you going to put in maintaining old features vs developing new ones. With the jukebox the value wasn't there and it wasn't compatible with the plans of future music development which includes partially procedurally done music. Since everyone has a music player on their computer and the music is freely available to anyone who wants it, jukebox was deemed a dead branch in need of pruning.


Maybe not infinite, but it feels pretty lame when devs start cutting in the sound budget, especially since the sound already is in place.

I'm no expert but how much resources could it possibly take to maintain a jukebox?

If it was possible in 2003 when they were programming the game in Hillmars apartment or whatnot then I'm sure it's possible now.
Desimus Maximus
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#37 - 2014-09-19 14:23:58 UTC
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Bring it back!!
Caviar Liberta
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#38 - 2014-09-19 14:40:13 UTC
Good Posting wrote:
I stopped paying my sub with real money when they removed the jukebox. I know this is a childish tantrum but i loved it so much and it is the only way i have to express my butthurt feelings.

When i have a headache i don't cut off my head, ccp.


Fixed that for your amusement.
Martin Corwin
Doomheim
#39 - 2014-09-20 08:00:11 UTC
Ranger 1 wrote:
and made sure you had ready access to all of the EVE music, including the renditions done by the Icelandic Symphony which have never been available in game.

I have yet to find these on CCPs Soundcloud page. Sad
Tynordas
Perkone
Caldari State
#40 - 2014-09-20 09:08:43 UTC
I totally agree with the requests to re-add the jukebox, I used to have specific tracks that I liked to listen to when mining, but since the jukebox was removed, it's just dull dull dull, the current system is essentially just being forced to listen to what CCP think you should listen to but music is personal, what sounds good for one person is boring as hell and annoying for the next.
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