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CCP Sells Items not just plex on steam
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Random Womble
Emo Rangers
#1 - 2014-09-14 18:13:24 UTC
It has just come to my attention the contrary to previous statements that CCP would not sell in game assets that would compete with the player driven market and production they are infact offering a limited number of items (as part of a set of "Add-ons" as well as their starter packs) in steam.

Where this differs from previous offerings is that items have been only attainable through packs and not able to be player produced these new Add-on packs include standard ships Sigil, breacher, heron and Epithal, minerals, items like cargo expanders and blueprints (presumably BPCs)


While the cost of these pack presumably makes them less efficient for getting the items than buying a plex the impact is potentially far worse and potentially the tip of a more direct pay to win iceberg.

Perhaps i have missed the boat on this and perhaps not everyone else will be so enraged

the links are as follows btw.


http://store.steampowered.com/app/320551/
http://store.steampowered.com/app/320552/
http://store.steampowered.com/app/320553/
http://store.steampowered.com/app/320553/

no doubt i am well behind in this
Tom Gerard
Glorious Nation of Kazakhstan
#2 - 2014-09-14 18:14:32 UTC
PAY TO WIN BANTAMS!

Now with 100% less Troll.
Paranoid Loyd
#3 - 2014-09-14 18:15:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Paranoid Loyd
We already went over this.

Also, LOL at cargo expanders on an Epithal. CCP troll, best troll.

"There is only one authority in this game, and that my friend is violence. The supreme authority upon which all other authority is derived." ISD Max Trix

Fix the Prospect!
Sibyyl
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#4 - 2014-09-14 18:25:23 UTC
Random Womble wrote:

While the cost of these pack presumably makes them less efficient for getting the items than buying a plex the impact is potentially far worse and potentially the tip of a more direct pay to win iceberg.



Could you explain the connection between the first half and second half of the sentence?


(1) they are a worse deal per dollar
(2) none of the items received are anything but of the starter variety
(3) all of them can be purchased in game

I think these don't fit the definition of pay to win. What kind of "winning" is somebody enjoying after buying one of these packs? Can you provide an example?

Joffy Aulx-Gao for CSM. Fix links and OGB. Ban stabs from plexes. Fulfill karmic justice.
AkJon Ferguson
JC Ferguson and Son Ltd
Ferguson Alliance
#5 - 2014-09-14 18:27:53 UTC
In principle this is wrong.

While the value/quantity of stuff being magicked into existence is small, it sets a terrible precedent. CCP will probably point to this precedent later to justify far more sandbox-breaking, pay-to-win 'offers.'
Sibyyl
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#6 - 2014-09-14 18:37:45 UTC
AkJon Ferguson wrote:
In principle this is wrong.

While the value/quantity of stuff being magicked into existence is small, it sets a terrible precedent. CCP will probably point to this precedent later to justify far more sandbox-breaking, pay-to-win 'offers.'



Can you tell me the difference between the example below and the OP's links?
http://venturebeat.com/2014/02/02/the-elder-scrolls-online-imperial-vs-standard-edition-preorder-comparison/

Joffy Aulx-Gao for CSM. Fix links and OGB. Ban stabs from plexes. Fulfill karmic justice.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#7 - 2014-09-14 18:48:02 UTC
This has been discussed many times over. This is no different than the starter packs they've offered before (aside from being rather bad deals in terms of what you get for your money).

The impact on the market is zero. The impact on the game is zero. The impact on competition is zero. The attractiveness for new players is ε — not much, but it probably helps.
Glathull
Warlock Assassins
#8 - 2014-09-14 18:54:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Glathull
Sometimes you really have to work hard to track down the source of the problems. Untangling everything can be so difficult. When I'm working really hard trying to track down the source of a conspiracy, I find that it helps a lot to put on a hat I had made especially for this situation. It calms me, soothes me, and it's orange with white letters across the front that say TINFOIL.

After I put on my hat, and I am calm, I just have to ask myself, "Qui Butthurt?" And everything falls into place.

I honestly feel like I just read fifty shades of dumb. --CCP Falcon
Solecist Project
#9 - 2014-09-14 18:57:52 UTC
Hm... maybe start a female Trucker and honour Tippia with it ...

... but then there's this huge weird sexual flavour I would add ...
... because Truckers are lonely all the time......
... flying through space, only their coms that give them company ......


.... and suddenly, a whole universe inflates inside my imagination ....

.... Amarrian, female Trucker ...... oooohhhhhhhh yessss ............. *snickers xD*


*sips green tea with honey*

That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds. - Tippia
Shirley Serious
Gutter Press
#10 - 2014-09-14 18:59:37 UTC
Tippia wrote:
This has been discussed many times over. This is no different than the starter packs they've offered before (aside from being rather bad deals in terms of what you get for your money).

The impact on the market is zero. The impact on the game is zero. The impact on competition is zero. The attractiveness for new players is ε — not much, but it probably helps.


Not entirely zero impact. But probably not a significant impact.

These starter packs, offer clothing items, some of which were previously only available for a brief time for a promotional boxed copy of EVE in i think Russia (the red/gold female coat), or on the EVE Collectors edition box (the green/gold coats). As time goes by, then those items would have increased supply, and probably drop in prices.

Other than that, vOv

Just the facts.
Ssabat Thraxx
DUST Expeditionary Team
Good Sax
#11 - 2014-09-14 19:12:19 UTC
This is the greatest miscarriage of all that is good, proper, and fair since they put OJ in jail!

Evil

\m/ O.o \m/

"You're a freak ..." - Solecist Project
Azami Nevinyrall
172.0.0.1
#12 - 2014-09-14 19:18:37 UTC
Quote:

The Colonist Add-On Pack includes:
The Epithal industrial ship
A full set of skillbooks and equipment to kit out and fly your ship
Cargo expander modules to increase your ship’s cargo capacity
Command Centers for creating planetary colonies
Avatar apparel: male “Esquire” and female “Executor” coats (red/gold)


Yes, game breaking stuff right here!!!

...
Indahmawar Fazmarai
#13 - 2014-09-14 19:44:15 UTC
Solecist Project wrote:
Hm... maybe start a female Trucker and honour Tippia with it ...

... but then there's this huge weird sexual flavour I would add ...
... because Truckers are lonely all the time......
... flying through space, only their coms that give them company ......


.... and suddenly, a whole universe inflates inside my imagination ....

.... Amarrian, female Trucker ...... oooohhhhhhhh yessss ............. *snickers xD*


*sips green tea with honey*


Time to say that your current avatar is one of the most sexually suggestive I've seen ever.
Solecist Project
#14 - 2014-09-14 19:50:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Solecist Project
Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:
Time to say that your current avatar is one of the most sexually suggestive I've seen ever.

I am happy to say that I finally started enjoying your thread in OOPE... :)
Tiny steps...


And thanks... (:
Was about time to beat all the others again ........ ;)

That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds. - Tippia
J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#15 - 2014-09-14 20:15:43 UTC
Random Womble wrote:
It has just come to my attention the contrary to previous statements that CCP would not sell in game assets that would compete with the player driven market and production they are infact offering a limited number of items (as part of a set of "Add-ons" as well as their starter packs) in steam.

Where this differs from previous offerings is that items have been only attainable through packs and not able to be player produced these new Add-on packs include standard ships Sigil, breacher, heron and Epithal, minerals, items like cargo expanders and blueprints (presumably BPCs)


While the cost of these pack presumably makes them less efficient for getting the items than buying a plex the impact is potentially far worse and potentially the tip of a more direct pay to win iceberg.

Perhaps i have missed the boat on this and perhaps not everyone else will be so enraged

the links are as follows btw.


http://store.steampowered.com/app/320551/
http://store.steampowered.com/app/320552/
http://store.steampowered.com/app/320553/
http://store.steampowered.com/app/320553/

no doubt i am well behind in this


So wow....you get items worth about 1 mil ISK.



YEAH REAL Pay2Win is here

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JC Anderson
RED ROSE THORN
#16 - 2014-09-14 20:17:08 UTC
Solecist Project wrote:
Hm... maybe start a female Trucker and honour Tippia with it ...

... but then there's this huge weird sexual flavour I would add ...
... because Truckers are lonely all the time......
... flying through space, only their coms that give them company ......


.... and suddenly, a whole universe inflates inside my imagination ....

.... Amarrian, female Trucker ...... oooohhhhhhhh yessss ............. *snickers xD*


*sips green tea with honey*


Put on a shirt!
La Rynx
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#17 - 2014-09-14 20:30:31 UTC
Buy Plex, Sell for ISK, get more stuff than those packages.

Atomic Virulent : "You can't spell DOUCHE. without CODE."
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#18 - 2014-09-14 20:56:47 UTC
La Rynx wrote:
Buy Plex, Sell for ISK, get more stuff than those packages.

Or simply do some tutorial missions and get even more for free.

Must be a slow conspiracy day for EVE.

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Solecist Project
#19 - 2014-09-14 21:37:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Solecist Project
JC Anderson wrote:
Put on a shirt!

Why don't you ........................
....................... take yours off? ;)

That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds. - Tippia
Grog Aftermath
Doomheim
#20 - 2014-09-14 22:27:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Grog Aftermath
So op you feel this is the start of pay-to-win.

Well, too early to say.

Might be the start of seeing more items being sold, but even that might not turn out to be pay-to-win.



I did actually notice those packs whilst browsing one website (not Steam) that was selling them.

Would be great if you got 3 mil sp to use as you will, as part of a starter pack, it would get you into your profession quicker.
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