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T2 Capships coming soon?
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#21 - 2014-09-12 11:52:50 UTC
Erikku Leonhart wrote:
In the Current Game Freighters are diffrent then Indutrial Related Ships.
and in the after Freighters are not meniond
SO at the very least
Capitals and Capital Industrial Ships have 20%

That in the very least means industrial ship t2

What.

No, really. What. There are lots of words in what you wrote and a fair amount of them are not where they are supposed to be (and yet more are outright missing).
Erikku Leonhart
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#22 - 2014-09-12 11:53:59 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Erikku Leonhart wrote:
But freighters are in the Freighters Section i dont understand T_T

Try opening the market interface. It'll help.



By the way i condcede to you the fact that frighters are Capitals, you are right they are, but in the same post were he says they are, he also says that command indutral ore ships 20% reserch chance as well
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#23 - 2014-09-12 11:59:02 UTC
Erikku Leonhart wrote:
By the way i condcede to you the fact that frighters are Capitals, you are right they are, but in the same post were he says they are, he also says that command indutral ore ships 20% reserch chance as well

Capital Industrial Ships are not the same as Industrial Command Ships, and neither of them fall into the Ore Industrial Ship class.
Felicity Love
Doomheim
#24 - 2014-09-12 12:09:46 UTC
... would rather see POS fixed, first.

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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#25 - 2014-09-12 12:12:47 UTC
Felicity Love wrote:
... would rather see POS fixed, first.

POS fixes are a bit more complicated than a single SQL query, though… P
Joshua Foiritain
Coreli Corporation
Pandemic Legion
#26 - 2014-09-12 12:28:42 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Erikku Leonhart wrote:
Tippia wrote:
T2 capitals already exist, at least if you go by the market window (rather than functional) definition of capships. And just because they give every BP in a specific class the same stat does not mean that the stat will actually be used. So there's nothing new in the devblog, I'm afraid.



My market window doesnt show t2 caps T_T

Mine doesn't either.
It shows jump freighters, but those aren't capital ships.

Yes they are.

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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#27 - 2014-09-12 12:45:15 UTC
Joshua Foiritain wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
It shows jump freighters, but those aren't capital ships.

Yes they are.

Ugh. This again.

Let's list the attributes that characterise capital ships in EVE and sets them apart from all other ship classes. They…
• Require the Capital Ship skill.
• Have to use cynos to move between systems.
• Can fit XL-sized modules.
• Have to use XL-sized rigs.
• Are not allowed in highsec unless grandfathered in.

Things that do not set capships apart from other ship classes, and which therefore don't define them:
• Use of capital components (BlackOps and Industrial Command Ships do as well).
• Jump drives (BlackOps again)
• Sheer size (some battleships rival them in size)

Overlaps that can't be used to determine anything without begging the question:
• Volume (the only ships with similar volume are Freighters/JFs).
• Mass (variable).
• Placement in the market browser (the L-size/non-cap-skill/non-cyno/highsec-allowed Orca is listed alongside the XL-sized Rorqual).

Freighters fit none of the characteristics of capships and only fulfil some of the border-line or begging-the-question attributes. Calling them capships would over-extend the category to the point of making it meaningless as a clear and easily distinguishable class of ships.
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#28 - 2014-09-12 12:52:01 UTC
I bet he thinks nanofibers should be in hull upgrades where they are instead of in propulsion upgrades which is obviously what they really are.

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Zimmy Zeta
Perkone
Caldari State
#29 - 2014-09-12 13:16:05 UTC
Felicity Love wrote:
... would rather see POS fixed, first.


Maybe this is what the T2 Titans will be all about?
Like, instead of a doomsday device, they will carry a Genesis device....
One shot of the Genesis device will fix POS mechanics, fix Sov, remove lag, kill AFK cloakers and open all CQ doors in the system for a limited time.
Drawback: every time you use it, a random mining barge in highsec explodes.

I'd like to apologize for the poor quality of the post above and sincerely hope you didn't waste your time reading it. Yes, I do feel bad about it.
Rain6637
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#30 - 2014-09-12 14:20:07 UTC
T2 titan -IS- the new POS. mobile forcefield generator. a giant hictor playing opposite day.

falcon is gonna smacky the peepee for rumor mongering

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Blobskillz McBlub
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#31 - 2014-09-12 14:38:53 UTC
we need T2 super caps so we finally have something against T1 super caps Lol
Felicity Love
Doomheim
#32 - 2014-09-12 18:44:38 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Felicity Love wrote:
... would rather see POS fixed, first.

POS fixes are a bit more complicated than a single SQL query, though… P



You're right. Again. Dafuq was I thinkkin'..... P

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Chainsaw Plankton
FaDoyToy
#33 - 2014-09-12 19:41:00 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
I bet he thinks nanofibers should be in hull upgrades where they are instead of in propulsion upgrades which is obviously what they really are.


you cut up part of your hull in exchange for speed and agility, of course it is a hull upgrade as it does nothing to your propulsion systems Roll

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James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#34 - 2014-09-12 20:22:08 UTC
Chainsaw Plankton wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
I bet he thinks nanofibers should be in hull upgrades where they are instead of in propulsion upgrades which is obviously what they really are.


you cut up part of your hull in exchange for speed and agility, of course it is a hull upgrade as it does nothing to your propulsion systems Roll

What the module does in lore is irrelevant. It increases speed and decreases inertia modifier (thereby increasing agility). It's a propulsion upgrade, because it upgrades propulsion attributes.

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Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
Working Stiffs
#35 - 2014-09-12 22:50:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Tau Cabalander
Tippia wrote:
Joshua Foiritain wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
It shows jump freighters, but those aren't capital ships.

Yes they are.

Ugh. This again.

Let's list the attributes that characterise capital ships in EVE and sets them apart from all other ship classes. They…
• Require the Capital Ship skill.
• Have to use cynos to move between systems.
• Can fit XL-sized modules.
• Have to use XL-sized rigs.
• Are not allowed in highsec unless grandfathered in.

Things that do not set capships apart from other ship classes, and which therefore don't define them:
• Use of capital components (BlackOps and Industrial Command Ships do as well).
• Jump drives (BlackOps again)
• Sheer size (some battleships rival them in size)

Overlaps that can't be used to determine anything without begging the question:
• Volume (the only ships with similar volume are Freighters/JFs).
• Mass (variable).
• Placement in the market browser (the L-size/non-cap-skill/non-cyno/highsec-allowed Orca is listed alongside the XL-sized Rorqual).

Freighters fit none of the characteristics of capships and only fulfil some of the border-line or begging-the-question attributes. Calling them capships would over-extend the category to the point of making it meaningless as a clear and easily distinguishable class of ships.

One for the list: Capitals are built in an X-Large Assembly Array, or Capital Ship Assembly Array. Freighters and Orca are built in a Large Assembly Array, and Jumpfreighters in an Advanced Large Assembly Array.

Though I am in agreement with you, I seem to recall a post many years ago by CCP stating that the Capital Ships skill was not defining. After that I stopped arguing about it, even though I don't agree.
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#36 - 2014-09-12 23:18:43 UTC  |  Edited by: James Amril-Kesh
Tau Cabalander wrote:
One for the list: Capitals are built in an X-Large Assembly Array, or Capital Ship Assembly Array. Freighters and Orca are built in a Large Assembly Array, and Jumpfreighters in an Advanced Large Assembly Array.

These categories were changed in Crius.
SSAAs (Supercapital Ship Assembly Array) can build titans, supercarriers, dreadnoughts, carriers, and I assume Rorquals. It only mentions "capital and supercapital ships" in its description.
CSAAs can build dreadnoughts, carriers, Rorquals, Orcas, freighters, and battleships.
LSAAs can build battleships, Orcas, and freighters.
ALSAAs can build jump freighters, black ops, and marauders.
There is no XLSAA.

In other words, the smallest size of assembly array you can build a ship in defines the ship class. Just because you can build carriers in an SSAA does not make them supercapitals, just as battleships aren't capitals because you can build them in a CSAA. Dreadnoughts and carriers can't be built in LSAAs so that makes them capitals. Orcas and freighters can be built in LSAA but not MSAA, so that makes them large ships. Jump freighters can be built in ALSAA but not AMSAA, so that makes them advanced large ships.

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I Love Boobies
All Hail Boobies
#37 - 2014-09-12 23:27:13 UTC
Remiel Pollard wrote:
What would a T2 Titan even be called?


Stupid.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#38 - 2014-09-13 00:06:56 UTC
I Love Boobies wrote:
Remiel Pollard wrote:
What would a T2 Titan even be called?


Stupid.

Rare and powerful.

Definitely not something you'd be making fleets of....

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TigerXtrm
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#39 - 2014-09-13 02:11:21 UTC
People reading way too much into stuff as usual. If T2 capitals are ever on the menu without the current capitals receiving a serious rebalance I will ragequit. And I don't even live in null! Lol

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flakeys
Doomheim
#40 - 2014-09-13 08:06:47 UTC  |  Edited by: flakeys
Remiel Pollard wrote:
What would a T2 Titan even be called?


Tittan ? Has T * 2 ... Roll


Would only make sense too , easy to use in voicechat : ' Everyone grab your titts now , we got a major OP going .. '

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