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Why is bumping titans fully inside POS shields allowed?

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Cameron Freerunner
Long Jump.
#61 - 2014-09-12 15:16:29 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Ramona McCandless wrote:
The coffin dust on this topic killed John Carter


I thought the film killed John Carter.

I thought 100 years of derivative science fiction killed John Carter.
Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
#62 - 2014-09-12 15:17:03 UTC
You guys know better and should have venue-shopped for a more agreeable GM.



There's a million angry citizens looking down their tubes..at me.

E-2C Hawkeye
State War Academy
Caldari State
#63 - 2014-09-12 15:35:22 UTC
Prince Kobol wrote:
Instead of creating a thread where lots of goons come and say how terrible and cruel CCP are, demanding that they answer your questions when you know full well they never will and about unfair life is, why not just use the tactic yourself but really really really use it.

After all CCP have made it quite clear now that this is not an exploit so get over it, get there and use and abuse it.

I am pretty sure after a few more (lots and lots) of titans go pop when they are with theirs PoS they will listen.

Of course the other option is that they also believe the mantra "Death to All Supers" Big smile so they couldn't care less Big smile, either way the best Titan is a dead Titan


DEATH TO ALL SUPERS

I feel certain they called this exploit long ago?
Remiel Pollard
Shock Treatment Ministries
#64 - 2014-09-12 15:38:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Remiel Pollard
Cameron Freerunner wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Ramona McCandless wrote:
The coffin dust on this topic killed John Carter


I thought the film killed John Carter.

I thought 100 years of derivative science fiction killed John Carter.


You're all wrong of course.

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104

Prince Kobol
#65 - 2014-09-12 15:42:29 UTC
flakeys wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Ramona McCandless wrote:
The coffin dust on this topic killed John Carter


I thought the film killed John Carter.



I rarely put on a movie and not watch it till the end no matter how bad it is , but john carter is an exception to the rule .


I think there is something wrong with me because I liked it
Brother Mercury
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#66 - 2014-09-12 15:46:13 UTC
I don't think it's absolutely necessary for CCP to come out with a definite statement, although it would be the most prudent thing to do.

However, what would be the worst possible course, is if CCP does nothing now, but then, later, after 20 dead titans (destroyed using the same "method"), CCP decides to ban players using the method on the 20th kill. That just shows CCP decided to avoid the problem--or deal with it just enough--until it was glaring them in the face, which is not a great way to deal with game issues.
flakeys
Doomheim
#67 - 2014-09-12 15:51:44 UTC
Prince Kobol wrote:
flakeys wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Ramona McCandless wrote:
The coffin dust on this topic killed John Carter


I thought the film killed John Carter.



I rarely put on a movie and not watch it till the end no matter how bad it is , but john carter is an exception to the rule .


I think there is something wrong with me because I liked it



My dad allways told me it is impossible to argue over personal taste ... so i won't Blink.

We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.

Budan Kado
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#68 - 2014-09-12 15:53:00 UTC
Brother Mercury wrote:
I don't think it's absolutely necessary for CCP to come out with a definite statement, although it would be the most prudent thing to do.

However, what would be the worst possible course, is if CCP does nothing now, but then, later, after 20 dead titans (destroyed using the same "method"), CCP decides to ban players using the method on the 20th kill. That just shows CCP decided to avoid the problem--or deal with it just enough--until it was glaring them in the face, which is not a great way to deal with game issues.


It wont be the first time CCP has looked the other way, then all of sudden changed their minds.
flakeys
Doomheim
#69 - 2014-09-12 15:53:03 UTC
Brother Mercury wrote:
I don't think it's absolutely necessary for CCP to come out with a definite statement, although it would be the most prudent thing to do.

However, what would be the worst possible course, is if CCP does nothing now, but then, later, after 20 dead titans (destroyed using the same "method"), CCP decides to ban players using the method on the 20th kill. That just shows CCP decided to avoid the problem--or deal with it just enough--until it was glaring them in the face, which is not a great way to deal with game issues.



Yet this is how it mostly goes , either it get's overused or overwhined before things get changed.

We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.

baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#70 - 2014-09-12 16:13:59 UTC
Prince Kobol wrote:


I think there is something wrong with me because I liked it


If you have been forced to ever watch the second ghost rider then yes, it wasn't bad.
NoLife NoFriends StillPosting
Doomheim
#71 - 2014-09-12 16:25:51 UTC  |  Edited by: NoLife NoFriends StillPosting
In before the rabid regular rabble start with the typical victim blaming and claiming you had the tools available to prevent this from happening. Roll

edit: too late
Gospadin
Bastard Children of Poinen
#72 - 2014-09-12 16:27:52 UTC
What's the gameplay reason on allowing a titan to be invulnerable inside a POS forcefield while bridging a fleet? Wouldn't it make sense to force that titan to leave the shields itself?
Brother Mercury
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#73 - 2014-09-12 16:42:53 UTC
Gospadin wrote:
What's the gameplay reason on allowing a titan to be invulnerable inside a POS forcefield while bridging a fleet? Wouldn't it make sense to force that titan to leave the shields itself?


That's an entirely different issue.
Vyl Vit
#74 - 2014-09-12 16:46:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Vyl Vit
Since I view computer gaming as me vs. the guys who wrote the program (and not vs. you folks out there, sorry) if it happens, or can happen by hitting the keys, it's not an exploit. If the guys who wrote the program don't want it in the parameters of available action, then they'd write a tight enough program and it wouldn't be possible (whatever "it" may be.)

THEREFORE - ergo: Programmers calling something in a program they wrote an "exploit" is just blame shifting. You just plain can't tell keyboard key pushers they "aren't allowed" to press certain keys, 'cause you don't like the result. Puleeeze. But, of course, it's done all the time, and it's done so much "players" actually believe such a thing as an "exploit" exists.

Well, yeah it does, every key press possible in a game is an exploit. That's the intention. I'm going to press keys using my knowledge and instinct to move forward in the game YOU wrote - if you don't want me to do it, then write it into the code. Telling me to sit on my hands is NOT part of the game you and I are playing, mister and missus programmers.

You know who you are.

The real question then becomes, with bumping ships that are supposed be secure within a shield, not "Why is this exploit not punished?" That's STUPID. If so-called exploits were punished, you'd hit START, and the screen would then read "GAME OVER." The question? Why did you write your code so loosely that we CAN circumvent an intended invulnerability? (The odd thing about all this, that strangely goes unmentioned is - why is a Titian inside a field being allowed to interact with ships OUTSIDE the field? THERE is where the "strangeness" is evident.)

While you're at this puzzling puzzle, (duh) what about being able to change the size and shape of a system using overlapping ship trajectories? That's even more interesting - making an L-shaped system....Once again, we could be looking at the sort of conflict of interest inherent with developers playing their games with the customers.

By the away, I resent anyone calling me a cheater if I can do something within a computer game by just pressing keys. If a "programmer" made that mistake ... in the proverbial bar, we'd be out in the proverbial parking lot "discussing" it.

PS IB4L

Paradise is like where you are right now, only much, much better.

Jur Tissant
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#75 - 2014-09-12 16:52:06 UTC
CCP has declared it an exploit. It is an exploit.

Whether or not the rules are being enforced here and/or ships reimbursed is a different discussion.
Dorian Wylde
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#76 - 2014-09-12 16:57:46 UTC
After thinking about it for all of 5 seconds, my best guess would be A: difficult to fix like every aspect of starbases; B: they can't exactly station a GM at every starbase, or to follow every titan around, to see who is doing it.
KIller Wabbit
MEME Thoughts
#77 - 2014-09-12 17:10:04 UTC
Until CCP addresses a glaring problem, Titan owners need to have a couple of GTFO cyno's fired up at all times they are active.
Diivil
Magellanic Itg
Goonswarm Federation
#78 - 2014-09-12 17:20:53 UTC
KIller Wabbit wrote:
Until CCP addresses a glaring problem, Titan owners need to have a couple of GTFO cyno's fired up at all times they are active.


Cyno won't help you if they are half way decent with bubbles and do the bump when you have a bridge up.
Evei Shard
Shard Industries
#79 - 2014-09-12 17:59:29 UTC
The way things have happened with this, including forum activity, gives me the impression that CCP is simply apathetic to the whole situation, and wants it swept under the rug.

Profit favors the prepared

Cherry Yeyo
Doomheim
#80 - 2014-09-12 18:06:14 UTC
Evei Shard wrote:
The way things have happened with this, including forum activity, gives me the impression that CCP is simply apathetic to the whole situation, and wants it swept under the rug.

The perpetrators of this recent wave of pos bumping are old timer veterans with Band of Brothers histories, these are the same guys who exploited the original pos bowling. I think internal affairs should look into this and the hand waving as well.

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