EVE General Discussion

Now if every ship could, to some extent by way of whatever mechanics, dial in a system to system warp like they do in our favorite science fiction movies, would that NOT be better?


Or conversely....

imagine your favorite sci fi franchise like Star Trek or Star Wars and the ships thereof not having the ability to warp on their own or use "hyperdrive" and had to use the same gate mechanics as we do in this game, bubbles included.


I think the OP becomes a bit more understandable then.

I f**king hate you, Thomas.

And gravity wells too. But that does not change my point.
(I played Tie Fighter and later X-Wing vs. Tie Fighter like a fiend back in those days let me tell you)

Travel in lowsec can indeed still be dangerous, but nullsec's dangers exist on top of the ones already present in lowsec. Lowsec's gates are "soft barriers" where a dash of SP in Covops skills will allow you to move around with the same gate-to-gate comfort as hisec. Straight up smartbombing is simply not as effective as pipebombing and no matter how "insta" your lock is, fighting the servertick against a cloaker doesn't work most of the time. It is a relatively comfortable environment, even for newer players.

A bubbled gate is a "hard barrier" where a ship without nullification is simply halted. This means that you must either do the SP investments into Interceptors or Tech 3 ships, or expend extra resources (time, effort) into moving around. Another option would be the use of wormholes, but this also comes at the cost of extra time & effort spent scanning. I can fully understand that a newer player, incapable of extracting truly worthwhile PVE assets, doesn't find playing like this very rewarding.

IMO im fine with this. Because all the information about the target gate are available. Because its in the same system. DScann ftw.

The real "problem" is when you jump through a gate. You cant D-Scan a gate in a other system. You do not know if this gate is directly inside a bubble or not. You do not know if there are 20 ships waiting there or not.

I do not understand why it is possible to put a bubble directly on top of a gate so you already spawn inside of the bubble when jumping in. Unless you have something interdiction nullified, its a risky coinflip. The bigger the ship, the lower your chances to escape.

Would it hurt the game so mutch to ban bubbels from a 30km radium around a gate ?
Isnt that the real question ? Changing something can lead to make the game ether better or worse or just different.

For example :
Adding a function to querry a gate to tell you how many ships are within a 50 km radius around its partner gate in the other system would effectively destroy gatecamping but could allow more ships to get into low / null and create more targets for roaming fleets. Now would the game become overall better or worse through something like this?

Maybe op would feel better if someone could rationally explain why is there a need for this kind of choke points.

I dont think its the chockepoint itself the OP is complaining about. Its the "blind" chokepoint that you have to jump into without knowing whats on the other side befor its to late kind of chokepoint that he is complainng about.

Edit: I would very mutch like to hear a rational explonation why this specific kind of chokepoint is a good thing :-)

I just got an idea.

Background first: the general idea I get regarding sub capital ships is that they're not big enough to have jump engines in them. Capital ships are big enough, and too big for stargates.

How about something in between? something like a jump freighter, but still doesn't need a cyno. read on for my idea.

What about a ship or module that would allow you to jump to the next system? My idea is either some medium slot module (since it's navigation related), or a dedicated ship (or ships if we want frig/cruiser/BS variants). Either way, this ship/module would be big enough for a jump like a capital ship (either the ships are naturally unagile, or the mod has a speed or agility penalty), but only for short distances, i.e. 1 jump to the next system (maybe 1 for frig, 2 for cruiser and 3 for BS if we went with dedicated ships?). It would differ from normal jump arrays in that you wouldn't need to target on a cyno field since it's such a short distance, but it could potentially still require isotopes to use, to not make it overpowered and free easy movement.

The question of where you arrive in the system remains, and I was thinking it could either be totally random in the system, or my second idea (that I like more) would be that you would appear 15km from the sun's "0" point. This would make sense since you need to warp to something, and the sun would be an obvious one from a distance to target onto with your ships's systems since you can see the star. It would also add for more interactions at the sun, and it wouldn't make this mod or ship totally OP at traveling through space, since if people knew you were using it, they would just camp the sun, but it still adds a consistent alternative to moving through space than OMGWTF gatecamps. And you couldn't "burn back to the gate", so it adds an interesting risk dynamic, where you could avoid the gate, but really be screwed if the sun is camped.

I personally like the idea of a medium slot module that you would maybe activate and then select an adjacent system. Isotopes would be consumed, and you would warp 15km form the sun in that system after it charges for 15 or 30 seconds or so (to prevent just warping away in case there is someone at the sun), similar to a micro jump drive. There could be multiple different sizes of the module, like "1mn jump drive", and then a 10mn and 100mn. each allowing 1, 2, or 3 jumps. or there could be just 1 module for 1 jump. I guess that would be up to the devs to decide based on balancing.

I don't personally like the idea of a ship, because then if anyone saw that ship on dscan in another system it would be obvious, and then you would camp the sun. I think a module with a speed penalty and need for isotopes would be interesting. CPU and powergrid usage could be made to a balanced level. It would add dynamics to moving through space, at a cost (isotopes), the possibility to get past annoying gate camps, but a higher risk if there is one on the perchance you are there (no burning back to gate). It still doesn't solve the issue of not knowing what's on the other side, But i feel this is an interesting way of addressing that issue.

What do you guys think? I think I'm about to throw this in the features and ideas forums

Gates suck and they are so 1990s.

Spawn camping online, in space == Eve

Use your map.