Player Features and Ideas Discussion

I was recently the victim of a market buy order scam that cost me 3 bil.

The guy had flooded the market with sell orders for an item at 300 mil a piece, he put a buy order up that looked like a typo 700,000,000 rather than 70,000,000. so I figured Id try buying one of these and sell it. then i realised the buy order was for 10 so I couldent sell it. At this point I realised I had been scammed and thought... wouldent it be fun to aquire 10 of these to fill his order so he has to pay out... so I did I spent 3 billion on it. and when I clicked it the order dissapeared and instead it had put the 10 items up on a sell order for 700,000,000 each.

SCAMMED BIGTIME.

I didnt even know there was a skill that allowed you to create false buy orders, but after some reserch I understand the idea behind the skill it just needs a fix to stop people doing this.

The Solution:
Highlight buy orders in red if the player they belong to does not have the capital to pay out. add a tooltip to explain why it is red. This can be avoided so easily.

CCP cannot patch greed and stupidity out of the game.

You gambled, you lost.

Learn from your error and move on.

Do you understand what would actually be involved for a database back end programmer in order to implement your "solution"? because your idea suggests that you dont.

Let's say that the best case scenario is that CCP is willing to cache the "minimum purchasable amount" for each order in their database (which would actually make their orders database quite a bit larger as it would need to store another double)

Now lets make up a heavy trader, he has 150 buy order and 100 sell orders up at any given time and trading is his main profession. every time that his wallet updates the database has to roll through all of his buy orders and make sure that for each of them the minimum purchasable amounts are below the amount that is in his wallet.

He lives in Jita, and people are constantly buying and selling from him, which means that his wallet changes every minute or two. Now the database has to do 150 compares every minute. Still not that bad for a modern computer

now multiply that times the 10,000 people who trade in jita daily and if you think the market in jita is laggy now, just you wait.

A much better solution would be to have the option to "audit buy order" which would cost you 1,000,000 ISK, if you were wrong about the order and the person did actually have the cash to fulfill it, that 1,000,000 would be gone, but if not, the order would be canceled, their escrow seized and you would receive your ISK back

Or better yet, you could listen to the old adage that if it seems too good to be true, it is. :P

Of course this scam is easy to spot for an experienced player but new players might reasonably expect the UI not to lie to them. Other scams rely on misdirection, so a keen eye can spot the scam if the player can temper their greed. Again, my concern here is mainly for newer players, as much as we like to say HTFU and forget about it, the game interface itself has lied to them and cost them the $20 PLEX they bought to jump-start their career.



A small crowd in my experience, as I have never encountered a legit buy order which couldn't be fulfilled. Besides, does it matter if the the player is a legit trader? If a buy order can't be fulfilled, it can't be fulfilled, and shouldn't the seller have a right to know that?

Scams are part of life in EVE.

However, this particular scam is one that's aided and abetted by the UI itself. It uses game mechanics that require a fair bit of digging to understand and there's no indication it's even possible unless you already know about it. This makes it a "new player trap" and it should thus be quashed.

Dropping a column in a big table is a b*****d.

And you have to pray you dont (and never had) have lazy developers who select * and rely on an order existing. Or order by 1/2/3/n in the code.

A drop isnt likely

The topic of this thread and the OP's post are based on the assumption that there is a "problem" that needs to be "fixed". I find this assumption to be flawed.

Why is it no one codes in a sane and logical manner like all these books I am learning from advise? (Please ignore my effective and ongoing decision to write a browser in Java, it works and the code will look pretty when I am done, honest)
Why do we need to call it Haskel and now have n+1 coding methods?

Also why are there so many coding methods?
Arent most of them wrappered languages that end up outputting to the assembly code the same?

1.) Hahaha, many have been there.

2.) Dark Green color for minimum buy order bigger then 1 is something I could live with. It is usually outside the window and a bit of a help. You are still to risk the investment, win or lose, which is also fine.

Comfort yes, scam fix - not really sure.