EVE General Discussion

WEll there are mechanics that are possible to force PVE players into fighting the lazy carebear "pvpers" but those mechanics would kill the game via dropping the player base into a tiny group. Sure the game would soldier on for another few years with 2-8k people playing though.

Or they could stop being lazy carebears and gank the targets you want to kill. Of course that's a non starter because then they might suffer pvp sometime randomly in the next month and they can't have that. They only want PVP when they know they outnumber their target.


Or even better they could stop trying to pick on newbies and fight the veterans in null/low/wh space. You know that huge area that's supposed to be all about PVP and massive battles?? Oh wait they can't because they the "elite PVPers" decided they wanted their blue donut instead of the PVP they claim they want.



Enjoy your niche game with maybe 2000 people online. Because on one is going to stick around for 24/7 curb stomping action.

On the other side almost no one will join and stay around in a game where you can't do anything unless you're part of the two or maybe three alliances that own everything. Sure some friends of the mega corps will join but your average newbie will just give up before the free trial is over.

Since what you're asking for is null sec everywhere It's probably more likely that everything will just form into huge blue donuts as history has shown. The reality is the so called elite pvpers of nullsec very much prefer a safe stable environment to play in and are risk adverse.

I am not retyping everything my phone just erased. I condense it down.

The mechanics are fine now. Its hi sec for a reason. You want to be able to blow up anyone who crosses your path, null sec is that way ---->

You want to blow up a bunch of Indy toons in hi sec, grow a pair and gank them.

Mad because you waisted billion of isk on wardecs even though you know how the mechanics work... Learn to read details before selecting the corp.

How hard is it? Indy toons have to HTFU when they are ganked and put up with all the mocking and people telling them learn the game... Combat toons should have to do it too. Its called info, read it.

Oh Veers... Oh Veers

I don't know if I should tell you that you're wrong or give you a big hug and say "It'll be alright Veers... It's okay".

Yes Veers no one wants to be in nullsec... Highsec is where it's at.

Indeed the whole issue comes down to people wanting PVP but when they say "pvp" it's code for "pvp I know I will win!!". In nullsec their drop might lose due to a counter drop etc. Much better to just wardec a bunch of newbies and industrialists in highsec.

This right here is an example of the working as intended, self correcting nature, of the current Dec system. What can one expect when attacking a shell corporation? Little to nothing at all. Their very existence is largely trivial. If you want to have a profitable war experience, then you should make wiser target selection decisions. The Med-Large corp that isn't primarily Null oriented would be ideal. It is non trivial for them to disband. Corp assets such as a POS's don't take just 5 minutes tear down. Research, industry and invention jobs can't just be abandoned without cost. There may even be POCO's to consider as well. This is a corp that is worthy of a war dec. There are plenty of them to chose from as well.

I wouldn't care in the least if war dec mechanics changed to be more 'sticky', at the same time, I'm hardly sold on why a minute of dev time should be invested in such a thing.

They are putting forth the effort to defend themselves via what you call wardec dodging. So what's your complaint now? That it takes too much effort to find a corp that can't easily dodge a wardec?


What's next? Complaining that wartargets are allowed to sit docked up?

Avoidance is a defense. Acknowledging they avoided a situation that favors their opponents means they did defend themselves.

So spending time and isk to close a corp and reform is not effort. Randomly clicking declare war is effort?

Because as I stated earlier. If you put effort into picking your wartarget then you won't have to worry about dodgers.

The fact that they don't declaring doing it as an exploit.
The fact that they haven't used the obvious solution of having decs follow characters.
They fact that they haven't locked the ability to drop corp during a dec.

Essentially the fact that they haven't done anything to support the opposite position.

Really?

Are you aware that there still exists at least one way to avoid CONCORD? They haven't declared it an exploit, I imagine because I have not shared the trick with anyone else, nor repeated it after discovering it accidentally.

They have not declared this action as an exploit.



And I want that changed. Hence my posting here. Many things were legal before they weren't, that's not precedent of anything.