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Arla Sarain
#21 - 2014-09-10 08:39:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Arla Sarain
Damen Apol wrote:
Arla Sarain wrote:
Damen Apol wrote:
1v70 because

70 people are going to go out without even someone having links and making themselves a clear target to those "heroes" who do bring links?

Mkay.


No, they're not.

What's your point?

The whole "removing offgrid links will ruin it for those who use links to fight bigger groups" hinges on the sole occasion where the bigger groups don't bring links too.

Which would be dumb of them not to.
So "removing offgrid links will ruin it for those who use links to fight bigger groups" is a moot point.

And how does the fact that links destroy small scale fights get ignored in the favor of the above? Sounds biased and ignorant.
Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
#22 - 2014-09-10 11:03:21 UTC
Warp fit a T3 with warp speed rigs, agility lows, and even better, warp speed implants.
It can already keep up with a frigate fleet then. No need for a new ship hull.
Knug LiDi
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#23 - 2014-09-10 15:32:43 UTC
Zan Shiro wrote:
to have any sense of balance to this ccp would have to look at what is brought up for even cs...and that is a balancing in sig radius penalty for links.


As while ogb still a thing...ccp removed pos boosting so it has to be in space. Ergo probes can find them if so inclined to hunt them down. A cs off grid not hard to find with probes. Some would like this even easier....I'd be among them. Issue I see with frigs/dessie is they are real low profile.


So I see 2 paths:

you have my above idea I have borrowed from others and the links create the sig bloom.

Or this here dessie/frig link boat gets a massive sig radius on hull. BC sig at least.

The latter has this boat when not running links a big fat target. I am just putting it out there as an option. I think its crap and for this and the CS ships...I would not kick sig bloom on link use out of bed as the better choice.

The goal of this simple...I can right now run a HG talon clone in this boat if it existed. As not combat spec...throw in eccm and sensor boost array (would change this the day ogb fixed....but that day isn't here now yet lol)

Small enough sig radius and I disappear. Not unprobable...just really hard to to find. If you so happen to bring the virtue'd, max skill, sisters gear fit prober to find me. As this is not common on thrown together frig roams...I may as well be invisible most times.


I understand the concept of trying to ensure that if this t2 dessy was used as an OGB it would be harder to scan down. Sig bloom with links running would not be ideal, as it is the intent to get this boat switching systems with a fleet (ideally ongrid with fleet) and a sig bloom on a ship that would already be considered for primary attention would be tough. This ship is intended for small ship boosting only, so the use of normal command ship/T3's would be for bigger fleets. For small gang warfare, fleets are very mobile between systems. I would assume as well, that the design would be limited to a single link. It wouldn't be worth the effort to keep it OGB, as you get better bang for your buck with a T3 - as you could fit 3-4 links and be nearly unprobeable.

If only we could fall into a woman's arms

without falling into her hands
Fer'isam K'ahn
SAS Veterinarians
#24 - 2014-09-10 15:56:27 UTC
Knug LiDi wrote:
I understand the concept of trying to ensure that if this t2 dessy was used as an OGB it would be harder to scan down. Sig bloom with links running would not be ideal, as it is the intent to get this boat switching systems with a fleet (ideally ongrid with fleet) and a sig bloom on a ship that would already be considered for primary attention would be tough. This ship is intended for small ship boosting only, so the use of normal command ship/T3's would be for bigger fleets. For small gang warfare, fleets are very mobile between systems. I would assume as well, that the design would be limited to a single link. It wouldn't be worth the effort to keep it OGB, as you get better bang for your buck with a T3 - as you could fit 3-4 links and be nearly unprobeable.

I agree with this. If one consideres wanting 6 links on the field and therefore brings 6 hard to scan destroyers, wouldn't it be more effective to bring one bonused Hull with 6 links and then 5 dps/tackle/scout ships ? Especially for small gangs, 5 more ships on field and not off grid will be a huge difference. But when those 6 dessies also breing firepower, they are probably gonna be on grid.

I see no big problem, especially since all the 'theoretical' 6 off grid destroyers need charsa to be trained as CS pilots and would be of better use then boost off grid with 1 link.
Igor Nappi
Doomheim
#25 - 2014-09-10 16:39:14 UTC
Damen Apol wrote:
boosts are such a terrible idea that anyone who seriously thinks they should be implemented clearly has never taken more than a few seconds to think about this.


I fixed your post.

Furthermore, I think that links must be removed from the game.
Damen Apol
Task Force 641
Empyrean Edict
#26 - 2014-09-10 19:33:13 UTC
Arla Sarain wrote:
Damen Apol wrote:
Arla Sarain wrote:
Damen Apol wrote:
1v70 because

70 people are going to go out without even someone having links and making themselves a clear target to those "heroes" who do bring links?

Mkay.


No, they're not.

What's your point?

The whole "removing offgrid links will ruin it for those who use links to fight bigger groups" hinges on the sole occasion where the bigger groups don't bring links too.


No it doesn't, again case in point you have clearly 0 experience with this.
Vincintius Agrippa
Crimson Serpent Syndicate
#27 - 2014-09-12 15:24:36 UTC
How about being only able to fit 2 links? Can boost any ship time. Doesnt have the cpu or pg for warfare processors, so no overlap with command ships.......... 
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