EVE General Discussion

I think I read a post earlier about how the whole thing should be scrapped and that a new team should get to work on it - I forgot who posted that, but it really is the best way to go if anything's to be done.

As it stands, it's really a simple mechanic - pay the police to look the other way while you try and bash another group's collective face in. Very simple and effective in its aims: pay money to get people to shoot at.

The simplicity is, however, the wardec mechanic's greatest weakness. One one hand, it would be more interesting to require some kind of casus belli for a war to be initiated. On the other, however, it really would inhibit those players involved in hisec war corporations the ability to do what they do. Whether you think that what they do is honorable/right and proper/good doesn't really matter - they need to be able to do their thing as well.

But going back to the point about a new team working from scratch on a new wardec mechanic: it really does seem that the current paradigm leaves many with a bitter taste in their mouths. It's easy to avoid a wardec, but it's also easy to initiate one, which can in turn be avoided just like the last one. Wasted money for the aggressors, and wasted time and effort for the defenders.

So, really, the current system doesn't work.

In a game with unlimited resources, what is the point of a war? If another mining corporation mines out your corporation's favorite system, you can just go one system over, or wait until tomorrow. And mission corporations have no effect on each other. Incursions do have hissyfits over killing the mothership "too soon" or whatever, but other than that, they just exist around each other.

The fuel of warfare is competition and conflicting interests. When neither are present, wars are reduced to "just for kicks" or "killboard padding", which results in the current situation - specialized wardec corporations launching dozens of wars against other corporations, leading to either disbandment and reformation, whining, quitting, and so on.

As it stands, wars in EVE have no useful purpose. Until that's changed, things will be the same.

I disagree. It's easy to "avoid" wardecs - just get out of hisec. Im gaining on 2 yrs of playing this game, and in all that time I've seen 1 merc corp go 1 jump into lowsec 1 time. You can easily let a dec run its course without a single casualty this way.

The flip side that lends some value to a wardec is that for the duration of the war your corp is pretty well screwed when it comes to buying or selling at a major trade hub. I've paid for a couple of decs in my time, and each time I knew that the kills werent going to be very high for that very reason... but I also knew that for at least a week my enemies were going to be severely hampered in terms of what they could do in-game. THAT is what I paid for; not kills, but inconvenience. Getting killed costs a ship... spending a whole week hiding out so you DONT get killed is far worse, IMO.

Fine, we accept that.

But at the same time the wardec groups have to learn to accept that the corp they dec can avoid the said dec at any time using whatever mechanics are available to them as well

Which is the part certain groups want to stop. Or place massive penalties on players/corps for doing so.

It no so much as they want to stop it, they want a better alternative then what we currently have. Why is that such a bad thing?

Exactly..no one said "stop them from being able to drop corp". What was said is "make them abide by the same restrictions everyone else has to abide by". In other words, when a single man drops corp, make him wait a week before being able to join another or create one. He still gets out of the war, he just cannot exploit the sytem and create the samecorp 120 secs later with 0% taxes. Why is this so bad and such a "hot" issue? The suggestions in my original post were just that..suggestions...and more suggestions are warranted. What is not warrented, is incessant whining that is completely off topic. What is wanted, and needed, are LEGITIMATE suggestions and ideas, not ranting, finger pointing, or name calling. Offer contructive opinion or suggestion..if you can.

Because they think they are entitled to have PvP not be a thing for them, barring suicide ganking.

Not a penalty, in the case of the suggestion you are addressing.

A cooldown.

And there should be a cooldown because being able to cycle corps every few minutes is abusive, smacks of being an exploit, and handcuffs the wardec mechanic, which should be allowed to be viable.

You won't know until you try.

So wardecs will continue to be useless at their job. Honestly, if you want to damage an organisation you are better off suicide ganking.

They exist to let you circumvent CONCORD, for a fee.

Yes, they are for killing people. Sorry if that seems to bother you enough to warrant the use of caps lock.