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Please Help. Clueless ratting and anoms.

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Alastair Onzo
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#1 - 2014-09-10 01:23:38 UTC
I'm a fairly new player, who moved to lowsec with a corp recently.

Making isk has been an uphill climb for me. Explo has yielded me nothing, I don't have good enough skills for mining to make sense and I keep losing ships ratting.

I've lost so many that I'm down to my last ship, with just enough fittings to hopefully stay alive and about 37k isk.

I need a kind soul to help me earn isk without dying 5,000 times per day, with only the vexor that I'm currently using (since I don't have anything else).

Any help would be GREATLY appreciated.
Mr Mac
Dark Goliath
#2 - 2014-09-10 05:01:58 UTC
Do anomalies in highsec. This is best to learn and collect ISK to buy better fits.
Train drone skills for more firepower if you flying in drone bay ship
xPredat0rz
Project.Nova
The Initiative.
#3 - 2014-09-10 07:09:29 UTC
Honestly some of the best isk in low sec for a lower SP pilot is missions. You get more LPs and rewards for being in the lower sec status systems.

Once you can fly a decently skilled cruiser or Battlecruiser you should be fine for low end anomalies and exploration.
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#4 - 2014-09-10 19:39:35 UTC
Let's see......

You've been in Brave Newbies Inc. for over a month now. Seems all the hype about that corp helping new players is nothing more than a crock of crapola.

Anyway, since you're over 3 months old and mentioned exploration then you've probably already completed all 5 Career Agents. If not, then definitely do that asap. They give out a lot of items which can help 'Jumpstart' players in the game.

As for Low Sec exploration, there should be plenty of sites available. A hell of a lot more than what's available in High Sec. The Hacking sites have no NPC's guarding them so that's just ISK on a plate.

For new player Rat action look for Cosmic Signatures - Hideout and Lookout as well as DED Rated 1/10 and 2/10 sites.

For Cosmic Anomalies look for the regular Hideaway and Burrow sites, not the Forlorn or Forsaken types.

If you need more info about Exploration or the various sites available, I suggest doing some research and either Google the info or check out various wiki's such as Evelopedia, UniWiki, etc.

Good luck to you.


DMC

'The Plan' | California Eve Players | Proposal - The Endless Battle
Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#5 - 2014-09-10 19:50:39 UTC
DeMichael Crimson wrote:
Let's see......

You've been in Brave Newbies Inc. for over a month now. Seems all the hype about that corp helping new players is nothing more than a crock of crapola.


This is worse than untrue, it's unfair. You don't know if he went to anyone in his alliance and asked for help before coming here, and you've been here long enough to know that some will post here for help rather than ask in their corp/alliance for a variety of reasons (like embarrassment for one).

I've been in Brave Newbies with several friends on alts and they do loads of fleet PVE. Rather than jumping to a conclusion without evidence you could have just asked the OP if he's asked his alliance first.
Paranoid Loyd
#6 - 2014-09-10 20:26:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Paranoid Loyd
Agreed, chill out DMC. You are letting your bitterness towards CCP affect your helpful nature. Ugh

OP, the easiest way to make isk if you are not scared to go to low sec is faction warfare, if BNI has a FW corp, I would look into that. If they don't, start a campaign to make one they seem to have a corp for everything now. Also, there is lots of isk to be made in wormholes, I know they have a corp for that.

"There is only one authority in this game, and that my friend is violence. The supreme authority upon which all other authority is derived." ISD Max Trix

Fix the Prospect!
voetius
Grundrisse
#7 - 2014-09-10 21:24:13 UTC

Perhaps you could talk to your corp and alliance mates and see what you could do to help them, e.g. running salvaging and cleaning up sites that others are running and bung them back half of what you make - it works well with groups like Pro Synergy and most people ratting in low sec and null sec just leave stuff to rot so it's a win-win situation for you and them.
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#8 - 2014-09-10 23:07:18 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
DeMichael Crimson wrote:
Let's see......

You've been in Brave Newbies Inc. for over a month now. Seems all the hype about that corp helping new players is nothing more than a crock of crapola.


This is worse than untrue, it's unfair. You don't know if he went to anyone in his alliance and asked for help before coming here, and you've been here long enough to know that some will post here for help rather than ask in their corp/alliance for a variety of reasons (like embarrassment for one).

I've been in Brave Newbies with several friends on alts and they do loads of fleet PVE. Rather than jumping to a conclusion without evidence you could have just asked the OP if he's asked his alliance first.

First of all it wasn't a statement of fact nor a conclusion. It was simply an observation.

And yeah, you're right. I don't know if he already did or didn't ask his corp or alliance for help. I believe him posting here kinda makes that aspect mute. If I was corp CEO I'd be checking up on new recruits to make sure they were doing ok.

As for being embarrassed, I would think that posting here instead of keeping it in-corp would be more of an embarrassment.

Anyway, it wasn't meant to demean the OP and more importantly, I posted some helpful advice.

Paranoid Loyd wrote:
Agreed, chill out DMC. You are letting your bitterness towards CCP affect your helpful nature. Ugh


Sorry but you're mistaking skepticism for bitterness. And why would you think I'm bitter towards CCP anyway?


DMC

'The Plan' | California Eve Players | Proposal - The Endless Battle
GordonO
BURN EDEN
#9 - 2014-09-10 23:37:43 UTC
Firstly.. i agree with DMC, a corp should be trying to help their new players as many just wont ask for help.

To the OP, have you tried hitting the NPC rates in the belts, can easily be done in a bomber even and they can drop some good stuff. Otherwise best is to just go do some HS missions with someone already doing lvl 4's its a great way to make easy isk and many older players will let you take the salvage.

... What next ??
Paranoid Loyd
#10 - 2014-09-11 00:28:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Paranoid Loyd
DeMichael Crimson wrote:
Sorry but you're mistaking skepticism for bitterness. And why would you think I'm bitter towards CCP anyway?


I read your posts, you have increasingly complained about changes they have made. Now it seems you are just negative about anything and everything as you criticized his corp without any proof of your assumption. When I first started reading these forums you were nothing but helpful and didn't inject your negative opinions in these types of threads. Seems that you have changed your posting style in a negative manner, it's disappointing. Thought I would point it out, what you do with the info is your choice as it is just my opinion.

I also agree with the point you were trying to make, just not how you made it.

"There is only one authority in this game, and that my friend is violence. The supreme authority upon which all other authority is derived." ISD Max Trix

Fix the Prospect!
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#11 - 2014-09-11 02:51:46 UTC
Paranoid Loyd wrote:
DeMichael Crimson wrote:
Sorry but you're mistaking skepticism for bitterness. And why would you think I'm bitter towards CCP anyway?


I read your posts, you have increasingly complained about changes they have made. Now it seems you are just negative about anything and everything as you criticized his corp without any proof of your assumption. When I first started reading these forums you were nothing but helpful and didn't inject your negative opinions in these types of threads. Seems that you have changed your posting style in a negative manner, it's disappointing. Thought I would point it out, what you do with the info is your choice as it is just my opinion.

I also agree with the point you were trying to make, just not how you made it.

When changes are made to the game that have a negative impact to my game play experience then I voice my disappointment on the subject. I also voice my approval when changes are made that affect my game play experience in a positive manner as well.

As a member of this community we all have that right. However that has nothing to do with what I posted in this thread.

A short while ago there was a Community Spotlight featuring Brave Newbies and praising them as the go-to corp for new players. I've also seen countless players posting in the forums recommending Brave Newbies to new players as one of the top 'New Player' friendly corps in Eve.

And then lo and behold a new player joins them and after a month is posting here asking for help. Asking for help is not a problem and I will gladly share info and help to the best of my ability.

My point and the issue I have with this is according to the propaganda, this so called 'New Player' friendly corp isn't as helpful as was previously claimed. If so then we wouldn't be having this discussion.

Despite my disillusionment about Brave Newbies, I still posted good and helpful info for the OP which I would do for anyone who asks, regardless of their corp or alliance..

Anyway, I don't want to derail this thread anymore. You can think what you want of me but for the record I'm not a Bitter Vet, I'm just a Grumpy Vet.


DMC

'The Plan' | California Eve Players | Proposal - The Endless Battle
Solette Cheli
Doomheim
#12 - 2014-09-11 03:10:59 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
DeMichael Crimson wrote:
Let's see......

You've been in Brave Newbies Inc. for over a month now. Seems all the hype about that corp helping new players is nothing more than a crock of crapola.


This is worse than untrue, it's unfair. You don't know if he went to anyone in his alliance and asked for help before coming here, and you've been here long enough to know that some will post here for help rather than ask in their corp/alliance for a variety of reasons (like embarrassment for one).

I've been in Brave Newbies with several friends on alts and they do loads of fleet PVE. Rather than jumping to a conclusion without evidence you could have just asked the OP if he's asked his alliance first.

BNI does fleet pve? I've never noticed. Only been here for like 2 days though. I don't really hop into random fleets though and I never see announcements for them in Alliance.
Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#13 - 2014-09-11 03:26:05 UTC
DeMichael Crimson wrote:
Paranoid Loyd wrote:
DeMichael Crimson wrote:
Sorry but you're mistaking skepticism for bitterness. And why would you think I'm bitter towards CCP anyway?


I read your posts, you have increasingly complained about changes they have made. Now it seems you are just negative about anything and everything as you criticized his corp without any proof of your assumption. When I first started reading these forums you were nothing but helpful and didn't inject your negative opinions in these types of threads. Seems that you have changed your posting style in a negative manner, it's disappointing. Thought I would point it out, what you do with the info is your choice as it is just my opinion.

I also agree with the point you were trying to make, just not how you made it.

When changes are made to the game that have a negative impact to my game play experience then I voice my disappointment on the subject. I also voice my approval when changes are made that affect my game play experience in a positive manner as well.

As a member of this community we all have that right. However that has nothing to do with what I posted in this thread.

A short while ago there was a Community Spotlight featuring Brave Newbies and praising them as the go-to corp for new players. I've also seen countless players posting in the forums recommending Brave Newbies to new players as one of the top 'New Player' friendly corps in Eve.

And then lo and behold a new player joins them and after a month is posting here asking for help. Asking for help is not a problem and I will gladly share info and help to the best of my ability.

My point and the issue I have with this is according to the propaganda, this so called 'New Player' friendly corp isn't as helpful as was previously claimed. If so then we wouldn't be having this discussion.

Despite my disillusionment about Brave Newbies, I still posted good and helpful info for the OP which I would do for anyone who asks, regardless of their corp or alliance..

Anyway, I don't want to derail this thread anymore. You can think what you want of me but for the record I'm not a Bitter Vet, I'm just a Grumpy Vet.


DMC



I joined Brave on an alt so i could play with a work buddy and they are nothing but awesome, even more helpful than had been my experience with EVE Uni and RvB. You jumped to a dumb conclusion after 1 post from a dude you don't know. hell, you don't know whether or not he's been afk for the last 29 days.

I don't know what Brave did to you to make you have that useless chip on your shoulder, all I do know is that BNI is awesome and has made a home for hundreds of people who might otherwise not be having as much fun.
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#14 - 2014-09-11 05:07:11 UTC  |  Edited by: DeMichael Crimson
Jenn aSide wrote:

I joined Brave on an alt so i could play with a work buddy and they are nothing but awesome, even more helpful than had been my experience with EVE Uni and RvB. You jumped to a dumb conclusion after 1 post from a dude you don't know. hell, you don't know whether or not he's been afk for the last 29 days.

I don't know what Brave did to you to make you have that useless chip on your shoulder, all I do know is that BNI is awesome and has made a home for hundreds of people who might otherwise not be having as much fun.


Yeah right, like I'm gonna believe your biased opinion as fact. You can continue spouting your propaganda all you want, it still doesn't negate the fact that a new player to this game who is a new member of their corp is posting here for help.

Obviously Brave Newbies isn't as helpful as you claim and if they were, this discussion wouldn't be happening. Doesn't matter if the OP has been afk for a month straight, the corp should be looking out for and taking care of it's members regardless if they log in once a day or once a month.

As everyone else likes to say in this game, if the corp isn't helping the player, then the player should leave and find another corp that will help them.

Speaking of help, you haven't posted any helpful info for the OP in this thread at all. All you've done is fan the flames of a forum war. Tell you what, I'll remove the useless chip on my shoulder when you remove that useless cinder-block from your shoulder. Until then, try to post some constructive and helpful info for the OP.


DMC

'The Plan' | California Eve Players | Proposal - The Endless Battle
Dato Koppla
Neuronix
#15 - 2014-09-11 08:29:11 UTC
If you're living in lowsec and you can fly a Vexor, try this fit out for belt ratting:

[Vexor, PvP Dual Rep]

Medium Ancillary Armor Repairer, Nanite Repair Paste
Medium Armor Repairer II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Damage Control II

Experimental 10MN Microwarpdrive I
Warp Scrambler II
Stasis Webifier II
Medium Electrochemical Capacitor Booster I, Navy Cap Booster 800

Heavy Electron Blaster II, Void M
Heavy Electron Blaster II, Void M
Heavy Electron Blaster II, Void M
Heavy Electron Blaster II, Void M

Medium Nanobot Accelerator I
Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump I
Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump I


Warrior II x5
Ogre II x2
Hammerhead II x2
Hobgoblin II x1
Hornet EC-300 x5

Obviously you need to downgrade what you can't fit T2 to T1 while working on your skills, but this is a very efficient belt ratter for it's cost, with the increased rate of Mordus spawns, you have 3 main ways to make your isk, high bounty battleships (very common), faction spawns (rare), clone soldiers (uncommon, will drop 20mil if it's a transporter/negotiator which is enough for another cheap Vexor), and finally Mordus spawns which drop 100mil to 1bil depending on the spawn. I've managed to kill a Mordus spawn with a T1 Vexor but I have high skills so a new player would find it pretty hard, however you should be able to handle the cruiser/frigate Mordus easily for a lot of money. All this and the ship is PvP fit incase someone bothers you, obviously you should watch dscan and local for possible threats, but generally if you look for empty systems it's quite safe.
Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#16 - 2014-09-11 12:17:27 UTC
DeMichael Crimson wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:

I joined Brave on an alt so i could play with a work buddy and they are nothing but awesome, even more helpful than had been my experience with EVE Uni and RvB. You jumped to a dumb conclusion after 1 post from a dude you don't know. hell, you don't know whether or not he's been afk for the last 29 days.

I don't know what Brave did to you to make you have that useless chip on your shoulder, all I do know is that BNI is awesome and has made a home for hundreds of people who might otherwise not be having as much fun.


Yeah right, like I'm gonna believe your biased opinion as fact. You can continue spouting your propaganda all you want, it still doesn't negate the fact that a new player to this game who is a new member of their corp is posting here for help.

Obviously Brave Newbies isn't as helpful as you claim and if they were, this discussion wouldn't be happening. Doesn't matter if the OP has been afk for a month straight, the corp should be looking out for and taking care of it's members regardless if they log in once a day or once a month.

As everyone else likes to say in this game, if the corp isn't helping the player, then the player should leave and find another corp that will help them.

Speaking of help, you haven't posted any helpful info for the OP in this thread at all. All you've done is fan the flames of a forum war. Tell you what, I'll remove the useless chip on my shoulder when you remove that useless cinder-block from your shoulder. Until then, try to post some constructive and helpful info for the OP.


DMC


What I'm posting is helpful in that it should teach the OP to beware of needlessly hateful posters who crap on good organizations in an insanely prejudiced fashion.

BNI gave my buddy (a new player who'd been playing for 5 or 6 weeks) the help he needed to get an Oracle with Meta guns to rat in Catch with and guys fleeted with him to show him how to use it. He almost lost it the 1st time because he accidentally warped to zero and the guy teaching him brought a t1 logi ship to help him get out .

Like i said, I don't know what Brave did to you (probably nothing), but you should be ashamed of yourself, Brave is nothing more than a group of guys providing opportunities to new players to get into different aspects of the game and you crap on them for no reason without cause (again, you have no clue as to the relationship between the OP and this group).

What you posted was dumb and a more mature individual would realize that and apologize.
Caleidascope
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#17 - 2014-09-11 22:21:42 UTC
Pro tip: go to high sec, go to .8 system, kill rats in belts.

When you feel more confident. go to .7 and do the same.
When you feel even more confident, got to .6 and do the same.
When yo feel like king of the world, go to .5 and do the same.

Life is short and dinner time is chancy

Eat dessert first!
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#18 - 2014-09-11 22:39:45 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
What I'm posting is helpful in that it should teach the OP to beware of needlessly hateful posters who crap on good organizations in an insanely prejudiced fashion.
No, what you're doing is showing everyone here in the forums how much your biased opinion and hatred of me has blinded you to the facts at hand. Once again you post flame remarks directed towards me instead of staying on topic and posting helpful info for the OP.

Jenn aSide wrote:
BNI gave my buddy (a new player who'd been playing for 5 or 6 weeks) the help he needed to get an Oracle with Meta guns to rat in Catch with and guys fleeted with him to show him how to use it. He almost lost it the 1st time because he accidentally warped to zero and the guy teaching him brought a t1 logi ship to help him get out .
That's all fine and great but that was then and this is now. In light of the current situation, constantly repeating that statement doesn't help at all.

Jenn aSide wrote:
Like i said, I don't know what Brave did to you (probably nothing), but you should be ashamed of yourself, Brave is nothing more than a group of guys providing opportunities to new players to get into different aspects of the game and you crap on them for no reason without cause (again, you have no clue as to the relationship between the OP and this group).
Wrong, the CEO and corp members of Brave Newbies should be ashamed for not helping a new recruit. Obviously you just can't seem to get the facts straight, not to mention you also have no clue of the relationship between the OP and his corp either. As such, we can only go by what was posted in the OP.

So let's do this dance one more time. A new player to this game who after 1 month of joining Brave Newbies is posting here in the forums pleading for help.

That doesn't bode well for the reputation of Brave Newbies at all. The fact that they're a high profile corp compounds the issue even more. Just because I pointed it out doesn't mean I have anything against them specifically. I would do the same no matter which corp it was.

Also if the OP belonged to an unknown corp, you'd more than likely be telling him to leave and find another corp asap instead of posting here trying to defend that corp.

Jenn aSide wrote:
What you posted was dumb and a more mature individual would realize that and apologize.
Wow, you just won't stop til you derail this thread and get it locked. The only person here that should apologize is you for making personal attacks against me. Actually, you need to step down off of your soapbox and stop White Knighting in defense of Brave Newbies, you're not a member of their corp nor do you represent them.

Anyway, I'm done riding this Merry-Go-Round with you. Any more flame remarks posted against me personally will be reported.


DMC

'The Plan' | California Eve Players | Proposal - The Endless Battle
Paranoid Loyd
#19 - 2014-09-11 23:01:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Paranoid Loyd
DeMichael Crimson wrote:
Obviously you just can't seem to get the facts straight, not to mention you also have no clue of the relationship between the OP and his corp either. As such, we can only go by what was posted in the OP.

Where did he give any indication they did not help or that he even asked them?

Did you not make an assumption as well? That assumption is what derailed the thread in the first place.


Sorry OP. Grumpy pants has been getting on my nerves with his negativity. He used to be such a good poster.

"There is only one authority in this game, and that my friend is violence. The supreme authority upon which all other authority is derived." ISD Max Trix

Fix the Prospect!
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#20 - 2014-09-12 00:38:41 UTC
Paranoid Loyd wrote:
DeMichael Crimson wrote:
Obviously you just can't seem to get the facts straight, not to mention you also have no clue of the relationship between the OP and his corp either. As such, we can only go by what was posted in the OP.

Where did he give any indication they did not help or that he even asked them?

Did you not make an assumption as well? That assumption is what derailed the thread in the first place.


Sorry OP. Grumpy pants has been getting on my nerves with his negativity. He used to be such a good poster.
Good Gawd, for the last time it was not an assumption, it was just an observation. What derailed this thread is you and Jenn aSide posting animosity towards me for pointing it out.

More importantly it doesn't matter if the OP did or didn't ask his corp for help. The corp itself should be checking up on it's new members quite often, especially if that new member is a new player to this game. Most new players don't even know they're in trouble until they get into the same situation as the OP.

You know what's getting on my nerves, the fact that you recently climbed on the troll band-wagon and started making personal attacks against me. You guys drew first blood and started attacking me and my posted reply to the OP. Do I attack and flame you when you post replies to others? No, that's something trolls do.

What really bothers me is you posting smug, self righteous, sarcastic remarks in an attempt to demean my reputation in these forums. You make claims of knowing, reading and following my 6+ years of posting history yet you're only a 1 year old character. Obviously you haven't read all of my posted replies and if you did then you wouldn't be saying I constantly post negative replies in these forums.

Anyway, I'm done riding this Merry-Go-Round with you as well. Any more flame remarks posted against me personally will be reported.


DMC

'The Plan' | California Eve Players | Proposal - The Endless Battle
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