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Deirdre Semmes
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#1 - 2014-09-09 11:53:38 UTC
Can I expect some saving doing my own ammos with an alt, compared to buying them at Jita? Answer will be 'it depends' I guess, so the context is probably:

a) staying in high sec with the alt
b) buying the minerals at Jita
c) having level 4 but no level 5 in the skills relevant to manufacturing.

So should I bother try? I have read somewhere that people selling ammos at Jita are happy when they have a 5% margin, even with a lot of maxed skills and appropriate facilities with a low overhead cost. If that's true, I better drop the ball on this gameplay entirely.
Sabriz Adoudel
Move along there is nothing here
#2 - 2014-09-09 12:17:33 UTC
You can produce ammo if you desire. It's generally sold pretty close to build cost on the market, however, because it is so fast to build.

I would only recommend producing ammunition if you want to learn the industry interface (and the invention interface if you decide to make tech 2 ammo). I used to make tech 2 ammo on an alt but market changes have rendered that no longer profitable enough to bother.

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Gregor Parud
Imperial Academy
#3 - 2014-09-09 12:20:40 UTC
Cost of producing goods takes into account maxed out refining and production skills, optimised standings, optimised processes and large volume. So unless you have it all maxed out, perfectly planned it and are doing bulk stuff chances are you will not be able to produce for the same cost others do, simply because they specialised into it, have the BPOs researched and put in time & effort. You won't be able to compete with them.

Thing is that location matters; demand and supply varies per area, system and sometimes even station. So if you try to buy ammo in a mission hub there's a fair chance you'll be buying at increased markup agreeing to the convenience of not having to haul it yourself (trading is about realising that people are lazy and stupid).

Combining all that; the best thing you can do is use your hauler (alt) to pick up large quantities of ammo at a good price (generally not at mission or trade hubs) and move them to where you need them, while selling your dropped modules without refining them to decent buy orders.
Elena Thiesant
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#4 - 2014-09-09 12:36:20 UTC
Deirdre Semmes wrote:
Can I expect some saving doing my own ammos with an alt, compared to buying them at Jita?


Probably not. The margins on ammo are razor, razor thin. I have maxed out indy skills (for T1 production anyway) and perfect BPOs and, even buying minerals cheaper than Jita (one of the more expensive hubs for the cheaper minerals) I'm seeing a loss on the common T1 ammo
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
Working Stiffs
#5 - 2014-09-09 12:47:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Tau Cabalander
I'm an industrialist, and own nearly every T1 BPO available except supercapitals, and I buy 99.99% of everything I need.

Why? Convenience and laziness.

I still build cap charges, as they are a pain to haul in quantity and it is easier to haul the materials.
erg cz
Federal Jegerouns
#6 - 2014-09-09 12:48:32 UTC
One reason may be in the simple fact, that mission runners like me get tons of ammo for free, from the loot. Some we do use, but since I often fly in amarr drone boat, I do not need much ammo. I have plenty od projectile ammo or missiles for example. Cause I do not use them at all. So I sell it realy low, often to the buy orders since makeing sell order for each of them will take time. And time means less shooted NPC, for which I get more ISK in bounties, then I would get from properly sold ammunition.

But you can save yourself a lot of logistic, if you build ships, that you lose during PvP. Large quantities of mModules and ammo can be transported in a single T1 hauler, but even the smallest frigate takes 2500 m3.

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Jur Tissant
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#7 - 2014-09-09 13:01:03 UTC
You're better off buying from the market. Ammo isn't expensive enough to worry about the small potential savings you'll get.
Mobbel Ernaga
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#8 - 2014-09-09 13:58:04 UTC
Rule of thumb for Ammo:

T1: Buy on market, will in most cases be cheaper than the materials to build it if you don't have a prefect bpo and even then you will have to do the math so keep it simple: buy.

T2: If you need large amounts you will most likely save some isk but you need the bpcs and maybe have to run after them...forget about it, too much time wasted here, simply buy it.
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
#9 - 2014-09-09 18:29:02 UTC
If the ammo is for your personal use and there is not a nearby market hub, then you are better off making your own. Just refine all the cheap crap you pick up and convert it to your ammo of choice.

If you are near a hub, just buy the stuff. It's way more convenient.

Mr Epeen Cool
Sabriz Adoudel
Move along there is nothing here
#10 - 2014-09-10 00:09:37 UTC
Tau Cabalander wrote:
I'm an industrialist, and own nearly every T1 BPO available except supercapitals, and I buy 99.99% of everything I need.

Why? Convenience and laziness.

I still build cap charges, as they are a pain to haul in quantity and it is easier to haul the materials.


Confirming cap booster charges are *definitely* something to build yourself if you use them in quantity.

They are cheap enough that you can do it with terrible skills.

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Steppa Musana
Doomheim
#11 - 2014-09-10 03:29:54 UTC
In EVE I've found you're almost always better off buying things from the market, and using the energy for whatever form of income you engage in.

i.e. the amount of ISK you'd save is outweighed by how much ISK you'd earn shooting rats or producing more XYZ instead... etc

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Shiloh Templeton
Cheyenne HET Co
#12 - 2014-09-11 14:53:38 UTC
Deirdre Semmes wrote:
Can I expect some saving doing my own ammos with an alt, compared to buying them at Jita?

Are you looking at T1 or T2 ammo?
Are you just wanting to supply your own needs, learn manufacturing, or make profit selling to others?
Do you have the equipment & skills to haul minerals (in the quantities you need)?

With T1 ammo and minerals you may be able to get better prices locally than at Jita.






Chainsaw Plankton
FaDoyToy
#13 - 2014-09-12 02:29:09 UTC
Tech 1 ammo is pretty much cheap enough that whatever. But if you have to go to jita to buy minerals well I'd just buy the ammo.

I will however send my alt in a blockade runner for tech 2 and faction ammo runs.

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Leoric Firesword
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#14 - 2014-09-12 20:33:17 UTC
it depends. I found that in the area I live I could potentially save quite a bit making my own T1 ammo. then I realized, if I can save quite a bit making it and not buying it, why not see how it sells too....this leads down a very dark and dangerous path...(though since it only takes about 30 minutes of my time every few days it's a lot like PI in that I can set it and forget it and make extra isk)