Warfare & Tactics

I thought it would be stupendous
to troll XGallentius
I didnt mean harm
So get back to your barn
You alliance name is lame
And I feel your pain
You spent a billion isk
So I could take the ****

The Gallente act all mean and bad
But most just wish they knew their dads
Their mothers were all easy wimminz
Out on the town drinking and sinnin
Lots of men and no protection
Whos kid is whos is just for guessin
DNA might give an answer
But whats the point when hes on welfare

The fact that XGs alt had over captured over 100 plexes in 2 weeks leading up to taking all caldari systems is pretty much a summation of faction war. I realize there are some in the galmilitia that don't like that fact. So you come on the forums and rage against me for bringing it up.

If you mean argument as in bickering/namecalling yes there has been that. (see your post above you in no way address the fact regarding XGs alt, you just express your anger with me. )

This is pretty much the model:

1)Cearain posts a fact and some argument based on the fact.
2)Gallente players come in and shout "you're stubborn" or "you're opinion doesn't matter" Or "you're arrogant" or "you are just mad" or "you're a crybaby," or "go play wow" One guy says he doesn't have the attention span to finish a newspaper article, so there is no way he can handle my 5 paragraph response etc etc. This isn't really "argument" in the logical sense of the word.


If you mean argument as in actually engaging the facts I raise there really hasn't been much. There has a been a little bit though.

One galmilitia argued that vp and plexes are irrelevant to the occupancy war. But between his claims versus ccps dev blogs and my own eyes I will believe the latter. Do you think vp are irrelevant? Do you think the alts rabbit plexing everywhere are irrelevant to the occupancy war? I said if gallente had no rabbit plexing alts they would be lucky to be at tier 2. Do you disagree? You need the alt plexers to deal with the enemy alt plexers. That is how the game works. I don't blame anyone. I and many others just don't care for it.

Crosi makes a completely different argument. He argues that it is fine that most plexes are captured with alts. He is entitled to his opinion. I just think paying for alts to rabbit plex is no fun. It's unclear that crosi and I even disagree about anything that actually happens in the game. We just disagree on whether playing the current game is worth a persons time or not.

That's really a summation of the threads here.

It really is awful, though -- almost as bad as Samurai Pizza Cats. But hey, at least you didn't put any numbers in it.

It's a bit more complicated than "VP are irrelevant" and "alts don't matter".

First, XG's alt capping 100 plexes is irrelevant if those plexes did not contribute towards capturing a system. And no, random plexing backwater nowhereville systems DOESN'T MATTER to occupancy warfare for the most part. If and only if it's part of a dedicated campaign to conquer those systems does it make a real difference. See, if CalMil plexes up a non-station system away from the front lines, they get tasty tasty LPs and rack up some VPs. XG's alt then dies in a fire deplexing it, getting crap LP and the same VP. Net change - none. Even if CalMil plexed it all the way up to vulnerable with no opposition, it wouldn't matter unless the PvP focused crews came along and bashed the hub to take it. Which they'd only bother with if they wanted the space. Otherwise, it's better for CalMil to let GalMil alts deplex it down so they can keep getting the tasty tasty offensive LP instead of the crap defensive LP.

In short, LP farming via alts is indeed a thing. It happens on both sides. It's an isk/LP generating activity that has little to no impact on warzone control as measured by systems held. It may impact Tier, due to the impact of LP being leeched from the hubs, but that's a rather poor stand-in for warzone control as it's more accurately a reflection of economic incentives than actual player control of a warzone.

I also think you really underestimate the impact of the Kronos changes on plexing, as that alone made a huge difference in our warzone with respect to the amount of alt plexing pressure we were under. Which is why we deliberately made a push to get a buffer prior to the Kronos release.

After the new changes the systems that have changed hands to gallente were caldari home systems. One of them started at 50%, the rest of them started less than 20% to stable. Alts impact on these systems were minimal since they were actively defended and attacking with alts is dramatically reduced.

Defensive plexers are not powerful, and do not require a blob to counter since by definition they cannot effectively fight even a single hostile neutral or wt. If a system contested rate grows too high and defensive alts are being denied by pvp attackers, a pvp defence is mounted. If the attackers dont have the numbers to repel the proper defence, then imo they dont deserve the system. If they do, they take the system. Hopefully there is some good fights in the meantime.

You didnt answer a single point. You just dodged them, as is your way. I expect you still argue here just to save face in some way, while being painfully unaware that you have no credibility, nor have you had any for as long as ive seen you post on this forum.

As for name calling, if the shoe fits etc.

I present the fact that caldari are taking back systems as refutation of your numbers and your understanding of the roll that alts play.

Crosi, you are implying that gallente militia has more alts plexing than Caldari. Just saying.

Phaede's post is a fairly straightforward description of how the current mechanics work. There is nothing really controversial there, unless you want to obfuscate what happened so you can believe in Gallente magic and secret strategies.

Is Gallente letting Caldari back in or are they truly powerless to resist this Caldari offensive? That I don't know. But if Gallente want the systems back then they should get in a blob and take them back. After that they can use their alts exactly as Phaede described. My hunch is Gallente rank and file have had enough of this occupancy war and really doesn't care enough to take them back. The winning strategy with these mechanics is a pretty boring one. But that is a completely subjective opinion of mine, I admit it.

Phaede: talking realistically and sensibly about faction war occupancy mechanics will lead to a few but very vocal forum bullies trying to shout you down to get you to stop posting. You have been warned.

You have no idea what the winning strategy is.

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That is all.