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Anndy
The Evocati
#21 - 2014-09-07 15:42:27 UTC
Answering Questions wrote:
Disclaimer: I like EVE. I've only been playing for a week or so now, but I think it's quite interesting.

I was attracted to EVE because of the sandbox nature of the game and that everyone kept saying "you can do anything!".

However, once I got into the game, I was notified by most players that while you can do "anything", a lot of it isn't very fun.

For example:

-- Mining. Recommended as a nice way to make ISK as a new player, but almost everyone I talk to in game finds it boring.

-- Hauling. Okay way to make ISK. Not very fun according to most players.

-- Crafting (or whatever it's called in EVE). Takes too long to train for a new player to make ISK.

-- PVE (ratting?). Not very good way to make ISK. Decent fun.


My question then is...what is fun for the majority of players? Again, I'm making the distinction between "fun for some" and "fun for most".







these days the only fun is trying to screw over as many people as possible
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#22 - 2014-09-07 15:52:22 UTC
Answering Questions wrote:


-- Mining. R̶e̶c̶o̶m̶m̶e̶n̶d̶e̶d̶ ̶a̶s̶ ̶a̶ ̶n̶i̶c̶e̶ ̶w̶a̶y̶ ̶t̶o̶ ̶m̶a̶k̶e̶ ̶I̶S̶K̶ ̶a̶s̶ ̶a̶ ̶n̶e̶w̶ ̶p̶l̶a̶y̶e̶r̶,̶ ̶b̶u̶t̶ ̶a̶l̶m̶o̶s̶t̶ ̶e̶v̶e̶r̶y̶o̶n̶e̶ ̶I̶ ̶t̶a̶l̶k̶ ̶t̶o̶ ̶i̶n̶ ̶g̶a̶m̶e̶ ̶f̶i̶n̶d̶s̶ ̶i̶t̶ ̶b̶o̶r̶i̶n̶g̶. You were lied to, it is not a good way of making isk.

-- Hauling. O̶k̶a̶y̶ ̶w̶a̶y̶ ̶t̶o̶ ̶m̶a̶k̶e̶ ̶I̶S̶K̶.̶ ̶ ̶N̶o̶t̶ ̶v̶e̶r̶y̶ ̶f̶u̶n̶ ̶a̶c̶c̶o̶r̶d̶i̶n̶g̶ ̶t̶o̶ ̶m̶o̶s̶t̶ ̶p̶l̶a̶y̶e̶r̶s̶. It can be very much fun but have to enjoy that kind of thing. It can be very good isk.

-- Crafting (or whatever it's called in EVE). T̶a̶k̶e̶s̶ ̶t̶o̶o̶ ̶l̶o̶n̶g̶ ̶t̶o̶ ̶t̶r̶a̶i̶n̶ ̶f̶o̶r̶ ̶a̶ ̶n̶e̶w̶ ̶p̶l̶a̶y̶e̶r̶ ̶t̶o̶ ̶m̶a̶k̶e̶ ̶I̶S̶K̶. You can get into it right away but like any business you have to start at the bottom and work at it.

-- PVE (ratting?). N̶o̶t̶ ̶v̶e̶r̶y̶ ̶g̶o̶o̶d̶ ̶w̶a̶y̶ ̶t̶o̶ ̶m̶a̶k̶e̶ ̶I̶S̶K̶.̶ ̶ ̶D̶e̶c̶e̶n̶t̶ ̶f̶u̶n̶. Very wrong. The vast bulk of people fund their pvp with high sec mission income. It is good isk and if you find it fun go do that.


My question then is...what is fun for the majority of players? Again, I'm making the distinction between "fun for some" and "fun for most".




I find my fun in getting battleships to do things most think impossible and experimenting with fits near all else would never try. You need to find what is fun for you, a good start would be to join one of the new player friendly groups such as Red vs Blue or Brave newbies.

Also I assume you got all of the above info from an NPC corp, don't do that. For the most part NPC corp advice is terrible.
Yogsoloth
Call of Cuthulu
#23 - 2014-09-07 15:52:36 UTC
Answering Questions wrote:
Disclaimer: I like EVE. I've only been playing for a week or so now, but I think it's quite interesting.

I was attracted to EVE because of the sandbox nature of the game and that everyone kept saying "you can do anything!".

However, once I got into the game, I was notified by most players that while you can do "anything", a lot of it isn't very fun.

For example:

-- Mining. Recommended as a nice way to make ISK as a new player, but almost everyone I talk to in game finds it boring.

-- Hauling. Okay way to make ISK. Not very fun according to most players.

-- Crafting (or whatever it's called in EVE). Takes too long to train for a new player to make ISK.

-- PVE (ratting?). Not very good way to make ISK. Decent fun.


My question then is...what is fun for the majority of players? Again, I'm making the distinction between "fun for some" and "fun for most".



I'm not really sure how anybody could expect to find fun doing these things, which imho are some of the worst things one could do in game.

Certainly making isk is a necessary part of the game, and the idea is to select the least awful and most efficient way to do so.

EVE at heart is a PEE VEE PEE game, the fun is in the hunting and killing of people. Whether your a small gang hunter, a sooper capital killer, an FW plex hunter, fleet commander, solo hunter, mission runner hunter, tournament killer etc etc... thats where the fun is.

Stalking, scanning, fleet marshalling, soldiering, spying, sabotaging, politcking, there's a myriad of ways anyone including a new player can get involved in the "fun" of killing people.

Eve is not about talking to some npc who tells you to run over and gather abunch of useless stuff and then run over to some other guy to drop it off to do the next mundane task. Eve is about killing people, get to the business of killing people and start having "fun".

Best adivice I can give is to find a good corp/group of people to take you in and show you the ropes. Sometimes finding the right group of people is time consuming, frustrating and difficult to do but, once you do, you'll know. It'll be evident by your elevated heart levels, your pounding pulse, and maybe a shaky hand.

o7
Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#24 - 2014-09-07 15:53:11 UTC
Answering Questions wrote:
But most people in rookie chat

Disregard whatever those Heathens advised

Answering Questions wrote:

Is PVP the only thing that's fun for the majority of players in this game?

in time you will see its the only thing in EVE

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Crumplecorn
Eve Cluster Explorations
#25 - 2014-09-07 17:08:15 UTC
Yogsoloth wrote:
the fun is in the hunting and killing of people
Literally telling other people what is fun. Worse than hitler.

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Yogsoloth
Call of Cuthulu
#26 - 2014-09-07 17:19:52 UTC
Crumplecorn wrote:
Yogsoloth wrote:
the fun is in the hunting and killing of people
Literally telling other people what is fun. Worse than ******.


The OP did ask whats fun in this game, perhaps you're reading comprehension is "Worse than ******." Have fun... exploring and I'll have fun fun killing explorers.
Yogsoloth
Call of Cuthulu
#27 - 2014-09-07 17:27:52 UTC
Yogsoloth wrote:
Crumplecorn wrote:
Yogsoloth wrote:
the fun is in the hunting and killing of people
Literally telling other people what is fun. Worse than ******.


The OP did ask whats fun in this game, perhaps you're reading comprehension is "Worse than ******." Have fun... exploring and I'll have fun hunting and killing explorers.
Ursula Thrace
Dreamland Augmented Consortium
#28 - 2014-09-07 17:34:05 UTC
this pic may help you decide where your interests may lie. there's really so much to do in eve, and it may take a while of trying lots of things out before you find your path, but i guarantee you'll find something that draws your interest.

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Tipa Riot
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#29 - 2014-09-07 18:22:43 UTC
It took me a while to figure out what EvE sandbox actually means ... playing kind of space chess, setting own goals of achievement, plotting and executing plans to outsmart your opponents, solo or in group using the almost endless possibilities combining the tools (environment, ships, modules, ...) to your advantage in a certain situation. Yes, it's a lot of theory crafting, getting intel and loosing ships failing or getting outsmarted yourself - but it's fun Big smile.

I'm my own NPC alt.
Crumplecorn
Eve Cluster Explorations
#30 - 2014-09-07 18:23:48 UTC
Yogsoloth wrote:
The OP did ask whats fun in this game, perhaps you're reading comprehension is "Worse than ******."
Hitler wrote a book, he could probably read pretty well.

And if you'd read, you'd see that letting other people tell you what is/isn't fun being fully ******** was covered on page 1.

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Yogsoloth
Call of Cuthulu
#31 - 2014-09-07 18:28:25 UTC
Crumplecorn wrote:
Yogsoloth wrote:
The OP did ask whats fun in this game, perhaps you're reading comprehension is "Worse than ******."
****** wrote a book, he could probably read pretty well.

And if you'd read, you'd see that letting other people tell you what is/isn't fun being fully ******** was covered on page 1.


Continue working on that reading comprehension. I wasnt referring to his, I was referring to yours. Keep trying though you'll get it some day.
Charax Bouclier
Silvershield Universal
#32 - 2014-09-07 18:35:11 UTC
Answering Questions wrote:
Disclaimer: I like EVE. I've only been playing for a week or so now, but I think it's quite interesting.

I was attracted to EVE because of the sandbox nature of the game and that everyone kept saying "you can do anything!".

However, once I got into the game, I was notified by most players that while you can do "anything", a lot of it isn't very fun.

For example:

-- Mining. Recommended as a nice way to make ISK as a new player, but almost everyone I talk to in game finds it boring.

-- Hauling. Okay way to make ISK. Not very fun according to most players.

-- Crafting (or whatever it's called in EVE). Takes too long to train for a new player to make ISK.

-- PVE (ratting?). Not very good way to make ISK. Decent fun.


My question then is...what is fun for the majority of players? Again, I'm making the distinction between "fun for some" and "fun for most".







Like people are saying, it's really not for us to tell you what is fun. That differs from person to person.

Myself? I'm about 5 weeks in, and I really enjoyed just learning a bunch of different aspects of the game. And each time I think I knew something, I discovered something else to further my understanding.

I started out learning more about industry/crafting - you can still make ISK as a new pilot if you find good items to craft. Occassionally, I'll do a mining run - not just to look at my lasers burn away at rocks, but to multi-task - review your product pricing on the regional market to make sure your prices are still competitive - or take this time to read up on a new game concept on my second monitor.

I enjoy setting up my logistics train (where to bring my ore to reprocess, bringing those goods to where I manufacture) etc. and setting up some spreadsheets to manage my costs: profit.

So, that is fun for me.

But, I just set up a second account to train up some new pilots - maybe a hauling alt, a PvP focused toon, and an explorer. I might split skilling time amongst these pilots and just pick up one of them if I am just in the mood to do PvP or explore.

This is probably a good reminder - DON'T do things to try to maximize your ISK earned/hour if it makes you do boring stuff. It's a game. HAVE FUN! I don't care to compete against the tycoons out there or feel bad if I am not doing something perfectly optimal (although, I will enjoy learning how best to do things).

Just try things out and see what you like, and don't be afraid to switch between things, especially since you're a new player. There is plenty of time to catch up with the vets once you know what you really like after a few months and then consider specializing (and/or getting another account).

Good luck! Big smile
IIshira
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#33 - 2014-09-07 18:41:07 UTC
Answering Questions wrote:
Disclaimer: I like EVE. I've only been playing for a week or so now, but I think it's quite interesting.

I was attracted to EVE because of the sandbox nature of the game and that everyone kept saying "you can do anything!".

However, once I got into the game, I was notified by most players that while you can do "anything", a lot of it isn't very fun.

For example:

-- Mining. Recommended as a nice way to make ISK as a new player, but almost everyone I talk to in game finds it boring.

-- Hauling. Okay way to make ISK. Not very fun according to most players.

-- Crafting (or whatever it's called in EVE). Takes too long to train for a new player to make ISK.

-- PVE (ratting?). Not very good way to make ISK. Decent fun.


My question then is...what is fun for the majority of players? Again, I'm making the distinction between "fun for some" and "fun for most".


You completely overlooked the main content of Eve... PVP
Charax Bouclier
Silvershield Universal
#34 - 2014-09-07 18:45:31 UTC
IIshira wrote:
Answering Questions wrote:
Disclaimer: I like EVE. I've only been playing for a week or so now, but I think it's quite interesting.

I was attracted to EVE because of the sandbox nature of the game and that everyone kept saying "you can do anything!".

However, once I got into the game, I was notified by most players that while you can do "anything", a lot of it isn't very fun.

For example:

-- Mining. Recommended as a nice way to make ISK as a new player, but almost everyone I talk to in game finds it boring.

-- Hauling. Okay way to make ISK. Not very fun according to most players.

-- Crafting (or whatever it's called in EVE). Takes too long to train for a new player to make ISK.

-- PVE (ratting?). Not very good way to make ISK. Decent fun.


My question then is...what is fun for the majority of players? Again, I'm making the distinction between "fun for some" and "fun for most".


You completely overlooked the main content of Eve... PVP


It's a reflection of the New Player Experience tutorials. What?
Felicity Love
Doomheim
#35 - 2014-09-07 20:21:19 UTC
EVE is always fun... you just have to find creative and amusing ways to tease the tards and make them pay for their own idiocy. Twisted

"EVE is dying." -- The Four Forum Trolls of the Apocalypse.   ( Pick four, any four. They all smell.  )
Vyl Vit
#36 - 2014-09-07 22:29:02 UTC
Don't ask other people what's fun.
They only know what they think is fun.
They don't know what you think is fun.
The only way to find out what you think is fun
IS TO TRY SOMETHING YOURSELF AND SEE.
Then, you'll know.
All we can do is point you toward -----------> THINGS TO DO.

Paradise is like where you are right now, only much, much better.
Gully Alex Foyle
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#37 - 2014-09-07 22:45:51 UTC
OP, hauling can indeed be fun - and profitable - if you tie it to trading in lowsec or npc nullsec.

1. Find a good market in a dangerous place (not highsec)

2. Determine which items to sell

3. Buy them in highsec (Jita is fine)

4. Haul them to the low/null market of choice. This is like 'smuggling' because almost every single player you'll meet will try to kill you.

5. Sell them

6. Profit!


As you gain experience, you'll sell better stuff in better places, fly better ships, etc.

If risky space trucking is your thing, you can do it as much as you like in EVE.


Also, try pvp. It's better :) At the very least, knowing how to kill stuff will help you greatly towards notting getting killed yourself!

Make space glamorous! Is EVE dying or not? Ask the EVE-O Death-o-meter!
Aurora Tali
Doomheim
#38 - 2014-09-08 11:19:55 UTC
is Mining Fun .... Fly throu null a site with Meroxit Asteroids appers you refit your ship to mine it your OreHold full with very expansive Ore and you need to sneak back to yor Home thats the thrill ^^ << i hate mining and cant even fit Mining Crystal Lasers or Fly a Mining Barge xD
but i imagine it can be Fun if you want
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#39 - 2014-09-08 11:26:06 UTC
Where does James Woods fit into the fun, Peter?

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#40 - 2014-09-08 11:31:47 UTC
Answering Questions wrote:
-- Mining. Recommended as a nice way to make ISK as a new player, but almost everyone I talk to in game finds it boring.
It's quite relaxing. I certainly wouldn't suggest mining unless you are doing something else at the same time or in a friendly group to chat to though.

Answering Questions wrote:
-- Hauling. Okay way to make ISK. Not very fun according to most players.
Yeah, mostly done tanked and AFK. Takes longer for a ship to get from A to B but you can be doing something else while it's doing it. Using a freighter though is pretty much a must for any reasonable amount, so a long training time.

Answering Questions wrote:
-- Crafting (or whatever it's called in EVE). Takes too long to train for a new player to make ISK.
Not even remotely accurate. You can start making isk on day 1, it just take a bit more working out on what and where to produce.

Answering Questions wrote:
-- PVE (ratting?). Not very good way to make ISK. Decent fun.
If you do it right, you can makes HEAPS of isk from this. Blitzing missions (skipping the ships and just hitting the triggers and required targets) is a good money maker in highsec. In null you can AFK rat for a decent amount. Getting into incursions, while skill intensive can be good profit.

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