EVE General Discussion

ALOT less time efficient. It would take YEARS to train every skill you need to do this as efficiently as anyone that has specialised . You can try. But you'll end up spending way more time mining that you would have ratting to make the isk.

Ah.. I was thinking about this a few days ago, one of the nice things about eve's manufacturing system is that you can theoretically get anything you wanted yourself, just with a varying degree of effort.

For example if you just wanted to go self sufficient with your current isk and assets it should be rather simple. All you would need to do is buy the relevant T1 BPO's from the npc's and get down to some mining, salvaging and the like. Of course it would be pretty impossible to obtain T2 or T3 items without some assistance as moon mining and the shear scale of some projects would require significantly more resources than a single character is likely capable of gathering.

It becomes far more difficult if you wanted to avoid missions or economic interaction in the first place as then all you have to start with is that rookie ship, and without missions you would be stuck with it for a while as the only actual source of isk then becomes rats, and from there you would need to collect enough isk to upgrade from those civilian modules, and eventually be capable of manufacturing frigates which the tutorial would happily give you for a fraction of the time.

The former is pretty viable I think, though I'm just getting into manufacturing and have never tried. Actually trying to avoid any economic interaction what so ever would be a challenge in my opinion.

Sorry if I'm wrong.

Hey! That's what I was going to say.
Although, if he's willing to not countseeded items as cheating (because he's buying from an npc), he could do the career missions to get a combat frig and then start l1 missions.

I started off as a miner.

I then realised that I need to mission to get my standings up for perfect refining.

I decided that I would build my first battleship instead of buying from the market. I mined and refined all the materials to build it and it was quite satisfying to have it ready to jump in to by the time i had the skills to pilot it. I bought the fittings though as you can only manufacture meta 0 or 5 yourself or from loot and that sounded a bit tedious.

I think the idea is interesting but I think it will become tiresome. Maybe just stick to building your own ships for example and buy other stuff

Until you start wanting T2 gear, yes it's pretty easy to do.

You don't even really need to mine, though that would speed some things up. I am able to regularly produce the occasional battleships out of minerals I get just from reprocessing. I commonly make the rigs I use from salvage I get myself. There are a few things you will have to move around for, depending on what rigs you want...but most of my mission battleships just get 3 Capacitor Control Circuits.

You could do the T2 Gear and ships too, but now you are looking at a whole ton of training in industrial and research skills on top of your combat skills you are running missions with.

In addition, if your solo experience included acquiring pirate faction ships, SOE are the only ones I know of you can get in high sec, and if you go low or null you wont be alone very long.

I agree that you may have to use market for some stuff, moon materials for example.
But in a large degree it seems that it could be viable.
As the poster above me says, if you loot t2 modules from ships, for some you dont have you buy moon minerals and you manufacture them.
You can steal salvage and t1 modules from peoples missions to have enough minerals for ship hulls.
You probably can train another character on the same account only for industry, while you train your main in pvp.
( yes that would cost double the subscription, might as well get an alt account also )

Maybe gradual transfer to that type of play would be more fun and viable with less time consuming stuff, like mining.
In a way that you use isk untill you figured out how to get everything you need and how much of stuff you need to buy.
I mean for example, pbpc-s and skillbooks you will always have to buy.

A while ago i set out to live on my own in lowsec and planned to build most things.
But it's just too tedious to build t2 modules i'm afraid. And you end up having to buy at least most materials for them which kinda defeats the purpose of not just buying the finished product.

If you're content in flying around with often suboptimal meta stuff and t1 ships go for it (being in militia like me actually helps a lot because it's easy access to some nice faction things).

But one character by itself will have a lot of limitations in what it can do. I still live in lowsec by myself but i buy and trade now.

What he is saying is that Yes, you can be a parasite living off a host.

It's not much of an accomplishment though.

Learning to be self sufficient in EVE is a reward in itself.

No need for luck, all tools are here right in front of your keyboard and monitor to achieve that goal.

Eve needs more people like you

the idea sounds wonderfull and also sounds like everything you want to do takes 10 times more time ... craftanything for yourself and than researching T2 BPC´s you need the items to craft these it justsounds like a Hell Lot of Work only to avoid the Market ... but Mining Rating doing Missions for isk and Buy the stuff is alot easyer than ... Mning Salvaging doin whatever you need to do for the Data thingys you need for T2 Research ... but i kno nothing and my Condor Manufracur in Nullsec is Just for Fun and getting rid of the unwanted loot that i Reprocessed ^^

yes you can, no I wouldn't want to.

The thing about it is I only produce ammo, for myself and corp mates, but I buy the minerals because it would take so long to mine what I've already used it's not funny.

I've looked into building ships and while you *can* do it, I don't think it would be very fun from my experiences