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New adventurer in WH's - But where is everyone?

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Captain Soju
Failed Diplomacy
#1 - 2014-09-08 09:11:00 UTC
About 3 weeks ago i took my first trip inside a wh and scored a couple of kills with my brand new SB which got me quite hyped so i have bee on the hunt for at least a couple of hours every day. To my disappointment, i have not seen a single person on any sleeper sites/mining/hauling. All i've been seeing is bubbles POS's with inactive ships for 99% of the time or the occasional astero scanning around.

I can confidently say that i've become pretty good at probe scanning and Dscanning and i can quickly find POS's in wh's. Also i try not to use probes early inside wh's so that i won't scare people off. But where is everyone?

My question as a WH noobie is: Is this scarcity of targets typical in wh's or is it something that changed with the Hyperion patch? Also, should i give it some time for the changes to sink in or should i be looking for outher sources of pvp? I've been to plenty C3-C6's and even though there is a POS in almost every one of them, i rarely see sleeper wrecks or mined ore fields.

At this point i im focusing on my SB and within the next month i will be in a pretty good spot gank wise, but it's not my gank i have an issue with but the lack of targets.

So, anyone who could shed some light to my mysterious back luck would be greatly appreciated

7o
Jessica Duranin
Doomheim
#2 - 2014-09-08 09:37:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Jessica Duranin
Wormhole space isn't exactly the most populated area and the recent changes caused even more of the smaller corps to leave.

It definitely takes a lot of luck and patience to catch something in w-space. Most people will put up scouts on their wormholes before they start any PvE activities, so they will see your bomber entering the system.
The ones you catch are those that were unwary.
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#3 - 2014-09-08 09:40:32 UTC
Good WHers wont let themselves be seen.

Bad ones, well hang out at the entrance if it opens in Highsec and there will be a Buzzard or a Stealth Bomber along any minute.

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann

Captain Soju
Failed Diplomacy
#4 - 2014-09-08 10:07:04 UTC
So, logging out inside their WH and logging back in after a few hours/days could prevent them from knowing who is inside (assuming i am in a cov-ops offocurse). But if i somehow die before probe scanning an exit i'm as good as dead :)

So, the paradox for me is:
If i probe scan, then people know i'm there because its really easy to Dscan my probes.
If i don't probe scan then i risk getting locked inside if i die or being able to get to people doing sleeper sites/mining in cosmic sigs.

I'm confused :(

But is camping 1 site for days worth it for the possibility of a kill?

hum....
Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#5 - 2014-09-08 10:08:39 UTC
Wormholes suck. The vast majority of WH activity will be a few big groups and then people like yourself flying in looking for easy kills. The people you'll catch are normally solo or small group players who have no clue what they are doing and will usually pack up and leave shortly after you kill them. The problem is that wormholes are much harder work (because of the logistics issues) and the benefit for that is miniscule. Without being in a huge group that can farm en masse, they're better off running incursions or blitzing missions.

So yeah, targets will be scarce. It's another example of where they've tried to make the game so "hardcore" that any would-be target is put off from venturing there, so all you are left with is a handful of hunters with no prey to hunt.

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Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#6 - 2014-09-08 10:08:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Ramona McCandless
Captain Soju wrote:


So, the paradox for me is:
If i probe scan, then people know i'm there because its really easy to Dscan my probes.
If i don't probe scan then i risk getting locked inside if i die or being able to get to people doing sleeper sites/mining in cosmic sigs.

I'm confused :(
.


How?

In what way is this choice confusing you?

Also, dont bother reading Kell's post. He hasn't actually read your questions and doesnt know wtf he's or you are on about.

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann

Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#7 - 2014-09-08 10:14:56 UTC
Ramona McCandless wrote:
Also, dont bother reading Kell's post. He hasn't actually read your questions and doesnt know wtf he's or you are on about.
Lol, I read it well enough. He's sad that he's got no targets, and he's hunting in an area that has ~2500 systems (more than low and highsec combined) and the lowest population in the game. The problem isn't that he's launching his probes and alerting all of these magic womholers to scatter, it's that there's a ridiculously low number of people in the space, so running into one of them is a bloody miracle.

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Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#8 - 2014-09-08 10:26:23 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Ezwal
*Snip* Removed reply to a deleted post. ISD Ezwal.

These are the questions:
Captain Soju wrote:
But where is everyone?
Captain Soju wrote:
My question as a WH noobie is: Is this scarcity of targets typical in wh's or is it something that changed with the Hyperion patch?
Captain Soju wrote:
Also, should i give it some time for the changes to sink in or should i be looking for outher sources of pvp?

The answers are
1. Not in WH space.
2. Yes, it's always that scarce.
3. No, you should probably look for other forms of PvP if you don't like hunting around for 99% of your time to find a single target here and there.

*Snip* Removed reply to a deleted post. ISD Ezwal.

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Fr3akwave
Mercury Arms Inc.
Ghostbirds
#9 - 2014-09-08 10:27:52 UTC
Lucas Kell wrote:
[...] an area that has ~2500 systems (more than low and highsec combined) and the lowest population in the game. [...] there's a ridiculously low number of people in the space, so running into one of them is a bloody miracle.


That almost sounds like you think it shouldn't be as it is. As far as I have understood the devs regarding WH space in general, the way it is is exactly as intended. In that sense, yes that scarcity is normal and not a Hyperion issue.
Captain Soju
Failed Diplomacy
#10 - 2014-09-08 10:28:07 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Ezwal
Lucas Kell wrote:
Ramona McCandless wrote:
Also, dont bother reading Kell's post. He hasn't actually read your questions and doesnt know wtf he's or you are on about.
Lol, I read it well enough. He's sad that he's got no targets, and he's hunting in an area that has ~2500 systems (more than low and highsec combined) and the lowest population in the game. The problem isn't that he's launching his probes and alerting all of these magic womholers to scatter, it's that there's a ridiculously low number of people in the space, so running into one of them is a bloody miracle.

*Snip* Removed quote of a deleted post. ISD Ezwal.

Not to be rude or anything but i find Kell's answers helpfull enough

Thanks :)
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#11 - 2014-09-08 10:31:08 UTC
Captain Soju wrote:


Not to be rude or anything but i find Kell's answers helpfull enough

Thanks :)


Fair enough. But dont say I didnt warn you

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann

Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#12 - 2014-09-08 10:32:13 UTC
Fr3akwave wrote:
Lucas Kell wrote:
[...] an area that has ~2500 systems (more than low and highsec combined) and the lowest population in the game. [...] there's a ridiculously low number of people in the space, so running into one of them is a bloody miracle.


That almost sounds like you think it shouldn't be as it is. As far as I have understood the devs regarding WH space in general, the way it is is exactly as intended. In that sense, yes that scarcity is normal and not a Hyperion issue.
Oh I don't disagree with the way it is and I'm not suggesting any form of change. WH space is and always has been a low population area, and will probably remain that way going forward. If you speak to the proper wormhole guys at fanfest, they love it that way, and that's fair enough, it's their space. For the OP though, he's interested in hunting targets, which can be done in wormhole space, it's just not going to be a target heavy environment to do it in, so if he's looking for frequent PvP, he's probably best looking elsewhere.

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Mizhir
Devara Biotech
#13 - 2014-09-08 10:34:05 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Ezwal
Captain Soju wrote:
Lucas Kell wrote:
Ramona McCandless wrote:
Also, dont bother reading Kell's post. He hasn't actually read your questions and doesnt know wtf he's or you are on about.
Lol, I read it well enough. He's sad that he's got no targets, and he's hunting in an area that has ~2500 systems (more than low and highsec combined) and the lowest population in the game. The problem isn't that he's launching his probes and alerting all of these magic womholers to scatter, it's that there's a ridiculously low number of people in the space, so running into one of them is a bloody miracle.

*Snip* Removed quote of a deleted post. ISD Ezwal.

Not to be rude or anything but i find Kell's answers helpfull enough

Thanks :)


A great thing about W-space is the thrill of the hunt. W-space is full of absolute boring moments. But then there are some epic moments in between that makes it all worth it. So it depends on what kind of person you are. If you have the patience to work hard in order to get some great moments then W-space is epic. This guy seem to be very successful despite being rather new: https://www.youtube.com/user/wingspantt

❤️️💛💚💙💜

Pytria Le'Danness
Placid Reborn
#14 - 2014-09-08 11:13:01 UTC
I live in a C3 with low sec static (main reason to go to WH space was production) and as such the only WH to WH connections are incoming K162 holes. This means for the hole to appear someone has to enter it, requiring a (somewhat) active hole on the outgoing side.

Yet almost always the holes are quiet when I explore them. IMO the reason is pretty simple: WH class and time zones. Low C WH systems can only support a handful of people with their sleeper spawns, and you can farm them pretty quick. Even though I play a lot I am active for - at most - two or three hours a day. The corpmates that join in the WH system are active around the same time. The other 22 hours our hole is a deserted wasteland.

There's little to do in low class WH systems, so player presence is low.
Rek Seven
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#15 - 2014-09-08 12:28:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Rek Seven
The population and general activity in wormhole space has been on the decline for some time now. This is mostly to do with the fact that CCP haven't added anything new and interesting since wormholes were introduced to the game.

Instead of a wormhole expansion, Hyperion was essentially a nerf to wormhole space and in a small way, it destroyed what the community have spent years building and turned this area of space into something less fun.

I makes more sense now to live in K-space running incursions or whatever, and just pop into wormhole space when I feel like it... but will there be anyone left to hunt?
Vyl Vit
#16 - 2014-09-08 12:33:47 UTC
Come out. Come out where ever you are. I've got something FOR you. Cool

Paradise is like where you are right now, only much, much better.

Ka'Narlist
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#17 - 2014-09-08 12:45:15 UTC
There was a devblog with charts in which area how much PvP happens. Nullsec was the most by a far margin, but I'm not sure on which place wh space ranked. But this shows thats its no big wonder why you can't find anyone
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#18 - 2014-09-08 16:11:33 UTC
If there is any change that would discourage people from entering wormholes, it's this "distance by mass" effect meaning that if the WH is camped, there's no jumping back out because you can end up "autopilot distance" from the hole.

And it brings us once again to "pay for a new account to get a scout alt" routine that looks like a scam to most people. Let's see, get another sub (that's double the payment for people with one account)

OR

Just do highsec incursions or missions



DUH. No brainer there. In a game where stats or ISK are the end all be all (and it was advertised that way) people either want ISK meaning they'll find the easiest way to get it, or they want stats in the easiest manner (highsec war, opportunistic ganking) or they want to at the least keep their ships off someone else's kill board (deciding that if you are not going to be the boot, then don't be the ass either).

The outcome was predictable. I've been selling off my Astero's and Stratioses rather then risk enhancing someone else's killboard.




Bring back DEEEEP Space!

ISD Ezwal
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#19 - 2014-09-08 19:13:49 UTC
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Captain Soju
Failed Diplomacy
#20 - 2014-09-09 14:00:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Captain Soju
After enough contemplation and having spent almost a month without a single target in whs i have decided that it simply isn't worth the time.

I believe that for the time being i will be using wh's as means of traversing space. Perhaps this is the way the changes have been introduced: To make wh as means to an and, not an end to the means.

Many alliances bubble camp entries to their space quite heavily and one of the ways i could bypass that is by entering wh's with a null sec static. Perhaps i could find potential targets by stealthily getting into systems of high ratting/mining activity that way.

The lone SB's quest for food continues...
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