EVE General Discussion

By Jove you are fugly.

And yet, after more than 10 years , the servers are still up and the hamsters are happy.

http://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/2014-04-15-ccp-drops-into-red-losing-USD21m-in-fy-2013

They spent 40 Million In R&D. So his numbers have some factual backing.
Stop being a CCP fan boy and getting mad when someone says something mean about "your game"

I know you live and breath EVE but I could never understand why people take it as a personal attack when someone says something bad about EVE.

https://www.ccpgames.com/media/47381/ccp%20financial%20statements%20june%2030%202013.pdf

CCP does not make much profit at the end of the day so even a loss of 23M is a huge deal.
and even after all the lay offs they were still in the RED.

Red means they had to spend money out of pocket to run the business for that year.


Do some damn research so someone else doesn't have to do it just to make you look like the idiot you are.

You do realize they actually didn't spend or lose that money that year. What they did was scrap projects, that were a drain on their resources and marked the estimated value of those investments as a negative, since they weren't going to produce a profit. This reduces their expenses, their income stream didn't plummet and they get to put a big negative number on their balance sheet, which probably just allows them to reduce the amount of taxes they have to pay. So a stable amount of money still coming in and a reduction in expenses. All of it puts CCP in a much better position financially then they used to be.

I'm guessing you're referring to this financial statement, and mangling the facts horribly.

CCP spent 56.6 million in R&D last year and so their total loss for the year was 21.3 million. That was 40 million more in R&D than the year before, so if they had spent the same as last year on R&D, how much would they have made this year?

And for the record, spending money on R&D is not 'losing' money. It is important for any company to continue to expand and diversify in products and technologies. Even if their bid into World of Darkness didn't work, there are no guarantees in the game development business and rolling the dice in the first place is what counts. You'll notice that it hasn't stopped them from getting right back up and giving it another go with Valkyrie.

"spent" is totally different from "lost". And that number is still highly exaggerated. It's not my fault his reading comprehension is bad.
(Note: that written-off amount was accrued over the course of 5 years. Comprehension is your friend)


I'm not "fanboy'ing", I'm correcting willfully stupid misinformation. You should see me when someone says "vaccines cause autism".... it's a thousand times worse.


Actually, I spend more time wrenching on my project car and going to college than I do on EVE. So, insult fail.


Are you an accountant? Furthermore, are you CCP's accountant? What are your qualifications to determine all of this? Right now, you sound like you just want to stir up a panic, which is what even makes me pissy to begin with. Stop rabble-rousing and either play the damn game, or leave.


My research begins and ends with "subscription numbers are up and I can still log into the game". What more do I need to know?
You mouthbreathers have been saying "EVE is dying" for 11 1/2 years, and it's going nowhere but up (except the Summer of Rage hiccup). So, kindly sit down, shut up, and leave the rest of us alone.

(PS: reading conjecture-ridden biased blogs writ by basement-dwelling neckbeards who end their "journalism" entries with "#GamerGate", isn't research. That's called the rumor mill)

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There are only two things that rise from the dead.

And threads are one of them.

Lost or maby invested in R&D

Basically, this.

Looking at the balance sheets from the outside, the impression is that CCP for the last years have made lots of money from EVE and spent it on other projects (WoD, Dust, etc.).

But WoD has been scrapped and Dust probably isn't making much money at the moment.


So, from the shareholders' point of view, they wasted money. That can happen to any company that is taking risks on new projects, especially in these troubled economic times. Only a high-level insider can know if, in CCP's case, it was more bad luck or bad management, or both.

OTOH, a large proportion of that money went to paying devs, so from the devs' point of view, it was money well spent while it lasted.