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Astero - Gallente Frigate Bonus?
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Leonard Nimoy II
Doomheim
#1 - 2014-09-08 02:26:11 UTC
Just a thought but....the Astero bonus to drone HP really doesn't fit with the ship. It's something that seems to me to serve no purpose on that ship. Maybe others will disagree with me on this but ATM I don't see a reason for it.

If it's intended as solely an exploration ship, the bonus has no reason to be there, because it doesn't help you run relic/data sites. If it is intended to give the Astero a possible role for PVP or PVE combat, then a damage bonus makes more sense - especially given that it's bigger brothers the Stratios and Nestor have a drone damage bonus.

In the tradition of this part of the forum....a problem as I see it is here, and I'll suggest a solution:

-Current bonus: 20% bonus to drone HP per level.
- Proposed change: 10% bonus to drone damage and HP per level (same as Stratios and Nestor).

'Nuff said. Thoughts?
Kaerakh
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#2 - 2014-09-08 02:27:30 UTC
Leonard Nimoy II wrote:
Just a thought but....the Astero bonus to drone HP really doesn't fit with the ship. It's something that seems to me to serve no purpose on that ship. Maybe others will disagree with me on this but ATM I don't see a reason for it.

If it's intended as solely an exploration ship, the bonus has no reason to be there, because it doesn't help you run relic/data sites. If it is intended to give the Astero a possible role for PVP or PVE combat, then a damage bonus makes more sense - especially given that it's bigger brothers the Stratios and Nestor have a drone damage bonus.

In the tradition of this part of the forum....a problem as I see it is here, and I'll suggest a solution:

-Current bonus: 20% bonus to drone HP per level.
- Proposed change: 10% bonus to drone damage and HP per level (same as Stratios and Nestor).

'Nuff said. Thoughts?



light drones on the Astero do enough dps. So no.

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Alvatore DiMarco
Capricious Endeavours Ltd
#3 - 2014-09-08 02:30:32 UTC
This was very specifically addressed by CCP Rise when these ships were originally being put up for feedback. The drone bonus on the Astero is extremely deliberate.

Its drones are also extremely durable as a result. So ... no.
Mike Voidstar
Voidstar Free Flight Foundation
#4 - 2014-09-08 02:32:16 UTC
They really dislike giving damage bonuses to light drones on frigates, especially on the few that can put out all 5.
Leonard Nimoy II
Doomheim
#5 - 2014-09-08 02:33:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Leonard Nimoy II
Alvatore DiMarco wrote:
This was very specifically addressed by CCP Rise when these ships were originally being put up for feedback. The drone bonus on the Astero is extremely deliberate.

Its drones are also extremely durable as a result. So ... no.


I wasn't aware how deliberate it was - but in that case, what purpose does the drone durability actually serve? Seems out of place for the ship its on. I would like to know what CCP thought it added to the Astero to so deliberately make it this way.

Also @Kaer, for an 80mil ship, it gets about the same DPS as a Tristan currently.
Aerie Evingod
Midwest Miners LLC
#6 - 2014-09-08 03:03:32 UTC
Leonard Nimoy II wrote:
Alvatore DiMarco wrote:
This was very specifically addressed by CCP Rise when these ships were originally being put up for feedback. The drone bonus on the Astero is extremely deliberate.

Its drones are also extremely durable as a result. So ... no.


I wasn't aware how deliberate it was - but in that case, what purpose does the drone durability actually serve? Seems out of place for the ship its on. I would like to know what CCP thought it added to the Astero to so deliberately make it this way.

Also @Kaer, for an 80mil ship, it gets about the same DPS as a Tristan currently.


Because exploration also includes combat sites, not all frigate exploration is data and relic sites. The swap of traits you are proposing is a 50% damage increase, that's massive and would make it OP.
ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors
#7 - 2014-09-08 03:19:48 UTC  |  Edited by: ShahFluffers
Leonard Nimoy II wrote:
I wasn't aware how deliberate it was - but in that case, what purpose does the drone durability actually serve? Seems out of place for the ship its on. I would like to know what CCP thought it added to the Astero to so deliberately make it this way.

Drone-centric frigates traditionally do not get any drone damage bonuses (exception: Worm) because they are already so versatile and powerful (5x hobgoblin IIs with no damage bonus and no Drone Damage Amps can deal close to 100 dps out to ~50kms).

But because light drones are fragile (even with high skills) and such drone-centric frigates rely so heavily on drones they are given a durability bonus... just so they can't be "defanged" too easily.

Leonard Nimoy II wrote:
for an 80mil ship, it gets about the same DPS as a Tristan currently.

Two things...

1. In EVE, linear performance increases come at exponential higher costs.

2. The Astero has bonuses to exploration gear, an armor resistance bonus (which basically gives the ship a "free" EANM), a really nice utility-tank slot layout, and has the ability to cloak (which is a HUGE deal because it can pick and choose its engagements).
With some light pimping, it can brawl down destroyers like an Assault Frigate!

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Mike Voidstar
Voidstar Free Flight Foundation
#8 - 2014-09-08 06:00:58 UTC
Even the Worm is only getting like half a drones worth of extra damage, as it only puts out 2.
ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors
#9 - 2014-09-08 06:52:12 UTC  |  Edited by: ShahFluffers
Mike Voidstar wrote:
Even the Worm is only getting like half a drones worth of extra damage, as it only puts out 2.

Compared to a ships with a 10% per level damage bonus, yes.

With that bonus and 2 drone damage amps you are talking about more than 200+ dps from drones alone... dps that can engage most non-interceptor ships out to ~50kms while the host ship can just speed to and fro on the battlefield.

The Worm kinda proves why damage-bonused light drones should not be a common thing on frigates... or at least not as high as the Worm's are (seriously... the thing is beastly with used in tandem with fast tackling ships).

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Rivr Luzade
Coreli Corporation
Pandemic Legion
#10 - 2014-09-08 07:03:48 UTC
I am very happy with the 20% Bonus to HP, this is much needed in small combat plexes up to 4/10s. The Damage with more than 110 with good skills (106 for me atm with Drone Specs at 3) is very nice and sufficient. More DPS would make this ship sort of immune to non-consensual PVP in Data/Relic sites, which is undesirable.

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Corraidhin Farsaidh
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#11 - 2014-09-08 10:15:48 UTC
Makes perfect sense as a bonus to me, all your dps are from the drones and as an exploration frigate you are reliant on the drones to kill things. You need them to survive more than you need them to do extra damage. I'm more than happy with the astero as it stands. I would really like an SoE destroyer too :)