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The beginning of the End of Downtime?!
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Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#21 - 2014-09-07 12:34:45 UTC
Medalyn Isis wrote:
Remiel Pollard wrote:
Saisin wrote:
I did not find any reference on these forums about this tweet posted by CCP Erlendur earlier this month...
Better late than never, I guess.

CCP is working in the background to eradicate down time, and this is great news, even if there are many steps remaining...

https://twitter.com/erlendur/status/506921664689766400

"Today we did the first #eveonline patch outside the downtime period and without a server reboot. Always improving! "



It never ceases to amaze me how people interpret things. "Today we patched outside of downtime" =/= "we're getting rid of downtime." If they were getting rid of downtime they'd say, "we're getting rid of downtime." I don't know, maybe they are, but because they haven't said so explicitly, neither do you.

I know all this sounds kind of trivial, but this is exactly the reason science denial exists - people who 'reinterpret' things or derive a meaning from them that doesn't exist based on what they think the words mean, or by adding their own to give it a new meaning that it never had, or whatever.

Weren't you meant to be quitting and never coming back? I seem to remember a giant threadought in which you had a hissy fit and said you would be quitting eve for good. lol


Let's pretend for a second that you're not trying to dodge my point, which you are, but we'll pretend you're not. The 'hissy fit' never happened, and there's a difference between 'banning CCP from my money for a month' and 'quitting forever'. I made it quite plain I was doing the former.

Maybe you should try taking a break yourself, it seems like you need it. Although I'm not sure how long it takes to untwist panties but, take all the time you need.

I'll look after your stuff.

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
Medalyn Isis
Doomheim
#22 - 2014-09-07 13:06:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Medalyn Isis
Remiel Pollard wrote:
The 'hissy fit' never happened, and there's a difference between 'banning CCP from my money for a month' and 'quitting forever'. I made it quite plain I was doing the former.

Ok, so now you have added being deceitful and dishonourable worm to your vices.

You thought that thread was deleted huh? Well nothing escapes the inescapable eye of Chribba

http://eve-search.com/thread/333104-1/page/1#1
rofflesausage
State War Academy
Caldari State
#23 - 2014-09-07 14:26:29 UTC
Medalyn Isis wrote:
Remiel Pollard wrote:
The 'hissy fit' never happened, and there's a difference between 'banning CCP from my money for a month' and 'quitting forever'. I made it quite plain I was doing the former.

Ok, so now you have added being deceitful and dishonourable worm to your vices.

You thought that thread was deleted huh? Well nothing escapes the inescapable eye of Chribba

http://eve-search.com/thread/333104-1/page/1#1


He's just a terrible troll who constantly likes to 'refine' what he's said, because he's not very good at it.
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#24 - 2014-09-07 14:34:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Remiel Pollard
rofflesausage wrote:
Medalyn Isis wrote:
Remiel Pollard wrote:
The 'hissy fit' never happened, and there's a difference between 'banning CCP from my money for a month' and 'quitting forever'. I made it quite plain I was doing the former.

Ok, so now you have added being deceitful and dishonourable worm to your vices.

You thought that thread was deleted huh? Well nothing escapes the inescapable eye of Chribba

http://eve-search.com/thread/333104-1/page/1#1


He's just a terrible troll who constantly likes to 'refine' what he's said, because he's not very good at it.


No refining necessary. I knew what post she was talking about, and I never tried to hide it. That's not a hissy fit, and the only people calling that a hissy fit are people that can't argue against my points and need to bring irrelevant information up and use it as personal attacks. That, or they already don't like me, and I don't really care whether you like me or not. So, let's pretend it was a hissy fit and you got me.

What's your point? What makes it relevant here? And why should I care?

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
ImYourMom
Retribution Holdings Corp
Retribution.
#25 - 2014-09-07 14:49:03 UTC
If people really find being away from eve for 30 mins is that big of a problem then you really need to get out more and explore the outside world because it's a wonderful place
Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#26 - 2014-09-07 16:21:50 UTC
Remiel Pollard wrote:
It never ceases to amaze me how people interpret things. "Today we patched outside of downtime" =/= "we're getting rid of downtime." If they were getting rid of downtime they'd say, "we're getting rid of downtime." I don't know, maybe they are, but because they haven't said so explicitly, neither do you.

I know all this sounds kind of trivial, but this is exactly the reason science denial exists - people who 'reinterpret' things or derive a meaning from them that doesn't exist based on what they think the words mean, or by adding their own to give it a new meaning that it never had, or whatever.


CCP have stated on many occasions that their goal is to eradicate the daily downtime completely. I'm not sure which part of that is so difficult to understand.

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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#27 - 2014-09-07 16:26:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
Mallak Azaria wrote:
CCP have stated on many occasions that their goal is to eradicate the daily downtime completely. I'm not sure which part of that is so difficult to understand.

Probably the part where nothing about patching outside of downtime is mentioned, and the part where non-downtime patching does not correlate with the removal of downtime, since downtime isn't caused by patching.

Yes, they're trying to remove downtime, but that still doesn't mean you can infer that goal from this feat.
Felicity Love
Doomheim
#28 - 2014-09-07 20:16:36 UTC
... thinks eliminating LAG would be a far more prudent use of resources... TiDi being nothing more than the lesser of two evils.

Roll

"EVE is dying." -- The Four Forum Trolls of the Apocalypse.   ( Pick four, any four. They all smell.  )
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#29 - 2014-09-07 20:18:42 UTC
Felicity Love wrote:
... thinks eliminating LAG would be a far more prudent use of resources... TiDi being nothing more than the lesser of two evils.

Roll


CCP cant do anything about that.
Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local
Break-A-Wish Foundation
#30 - 2014-09-08 01:18:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Vimsy Vortis
Felicity Love wrote:
... thinks eliminating LAG would be a far more prudent use of resources... TiDi being nothing more than the lesser of two evils.

Roll

You can't eliminate latency. Signals do not travel instantly and no matter how short the time may be it always takes time for a computer to perform any function.

Unless you intend for CCP to invent quantum computers, faster than light telecommunications and precognizant software then implement those technologies on a global scale you're always going to have to contend with lag.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#31 - 2014-09-08 01:44:07 UTC
I would like to just point out that our Australian friends have a bigger issue and that is their horrid internet infrastructure.
Arancar Australis
Dead Sun Rising Enterprises
#32 - 2014-09-08 04:11:18 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
I would like to just point out that our Australian friends have a bigger issue and that is their horrid internet infrastructure.



Yes we are improving from hamsters to wallabies, more energy and harder to burn out. As an offer to CCP, i can organise a dozen wallabies to be shipped to replaced those outdated hamsters you use...get with the times!!
Scipio Artelius
Weaponised Vegemite
Flying Dangerous
#33 - 2014-09-08 04:25:18 UTC
Ssabat Thraxx wrote:
More importantly, when the hell am I supposed to take a shower now? Shocked

Just use deodorant. Shower in a can.
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#34 - 2014-09-08 04:25:48 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Mallak Azaria wrote:
CCP have stated on many occasions that their goal is to eradicate the daily downtime completely. I'm not sure which part of that is so difficult to understand.

Probably the part where nothing about patching outside of downtime is mentioned, and the part where non-downtime patching does not correlate with the removal of downtime, since downtime isn't caused by patching.

Yes, they're trying to remove downtime, but that still doesn't mean you can infer that goal from this feat.


Tip said what I was gonna, but used different words this time.

My words were going to be, "today I ate a sandwich, therefore I'm obviously trying to get fat."

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
Raiz Nhell
PeregrineXII
#35 - 2014-09-08 04:59:10 UTC
Our lag Downunder is so bad we sometimes miss DT between server pings.

I like DT, as it reminds me that its dinner time... and that I need to interact with the non eve people in the house.

There is no such thing as a fair fight...

If your fighting fair you have automatically put yourself at a disadvantage.
Caviar Liberta
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#36 - 2014-09-08 05:19:04 UTC
TigerXtrm wrote:
How would that even work, pushing a patch to the server and the client while people are actively playing?


Streaming download via client download.
Arancar Australis
Dead Sun Rising Enterprises
#37 - 2014-09-08 06:40:36 UTC
Raiz Nhell wrote:
Our lag Downunder is so bad we sometimes miss DT between server pings.

I like DT, as it reminds me that its dinner time... and that I need to interact with the non eve people in the house.




You mean you can speak to people who don't play eve??? I always believed that they could never comprehend the level of complexity required to play this game and thus were just shadows to ignore.
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
#38 - 2014-09-08 16:47:25 UTC
Arancar Australis wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
I would like to just point out that our Australian friends have a bigger issue and that is their horrid internet infrastructure.

Yes we are improving from hamsters to wallabies, more energy and harder to burn out. As an offer to CCP, i can organise a dozen wallabies to be shipped to replaced those outdated hamsters you use...get with the times!!

Switching from Hamsters to Wallabies would require a complete rework of server infrastructure as the wheel size is completely different... unless you are planning on genetically engineering a Hamster-sized Wallaby.. in which case your plan might have merit... as well as a side effect of changing the 'first time pet" meta.

Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?
Hevymetal
POT Corp
#39 - 2014-09-08 17:02:06 UTC
But, but, think of the hamsters.

Seriously, 15 minutes of downtime per day isn't really THAT bad. If they can eliminate it, or reduce it to once a week it would make things a bit more interesting from a strategic standpoint. No more lo/null crossing just before/after DT. Yarrrr
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