Missions & Complexes

agree. For something that happens in hisec, incursions pay too well

so i have no idea why CCP StopBeingBad even buffed them.

I seem to recall a certain incident not too long ago when DIN tried the same stunt of ragepopping moms when ISN formed a fleet, and they tried to use the same logic. Didn't work too well then either.

Quoted for truth.

I'm thoroughly enjoying watching all the butthurt come from ISN. TVP Chat blew up today and I raffed!

As long as ISN stays docked up, everyone makes money. Next time maybe they wont be so quick to steal loot.

Just for your own interest, that bunch of griefers are some of the biggest HQ incursion channels. I did write quite a bit about the motivation and goals of this last year in the "Incursion starts here" thread. People always looking at the symptoms, instead of the real motive and the problems behind it. Bottom line, give it some time till the HQ channels are done and do something else in the meantime. It is not like some people called the changes of the respawn timer bad in the official thread, because they did know that it doesn't change player behaviour, it just cases a bit more work and will provoke even more Incursions being closed for individual goals of certain channels.



It isn't really a buff, the AS changes are poorly done(since they make AS even less attractive to specialize in for channels that want to get out of IS boxing on-line VGs and can't find enough people for HQ fleets) and there was no intent to actually using dev time to rework the site that creates most of the issues in AS since the very introduction of Incursions(yes the issues are there since the very beginning of Incs, 3.5 years ago), Scouts are still pointless(as pointed out by every single person that did them on sissi in any test server thread about them) and if you go to the Journal you can clearly see that the faster re-spawn timers helped a lot, at least if the intention was to start a new arms race between HQ channels.

While I get the "new super improved quick expansion cycle", it didn't do particular well in the process of improving things. The Inc changes are pointless, the Nestor change was pointless and people didn't really see a lot of effort or communication put into the HAC balance pass.

What is wrong with Incursions is what always happens in Eve. We figure out how things work. That is it once we know what makes the clock tick we kick its a**.

In all honesty. It has been at least 1 year since I have last run incursions but posts like yours apply to a lot of other topics as well...

By griefing you mean they basically deny you the sites ?

Well... you gotta see it from that point. sure maybe they dont gain anything in particular (like isk/ ransoms or w/e)
but some players just play the game to troll others or more known as "harvesting tears" which tbh is totally fine.

Incursions are a very easy and high profitable way of making a crap ton of isk in a short amount of time.

You should be able to deal with those drawbacks caused by "griefers".

As you said. They play their game how it is fun to them and you play it how it is fun to you.

Instead of crying on the forums you could sit down with your mates and figure how maybe counter it ?

I am just very allergic to farmers that want to gain isk all day long. as much as possible without any risks and drawbacks... and no.. NPCs are not risky.

How much was all the loot they took? I'm pretty sure they got enough that they can comfortably not run incursions for awhile. Whereas the people who lost all their loot are prolly still working on replacing it.

And what if ISN decides they are not going to stay docked up? No one makes money? People will eventually realize they can make more isk from running L4s instead of failed incursions?

Or "don't fly with TVP will stop the mothership killing"

ISN stole from TVP, TVP got mad, now TVP is rage popping mom sites once ISN forms a HQ fleet.
Didyouknow: 6 HQ sites = 7.5b total? Asssuming they've got all 40 people of course. And that doesn't include the concord lp.