Player Features and Ideas Discussion

I know the Phoenix just recently got a buff to their missiles. but according to a lot of threads I read, they still have poor damage application to Sub-Capital ships.
So I was thinking, we current have:

"Rapid Light Missiles" Cruiser launchers designed to kill Frigates and Destroyers
"Rapid Heavy Missiles" Battleship launchers designed to kill Cruisers and Battlecruisers.


Suggestion:

"Rapid Cruise Launcher" Capital class missile launcher designed to kill Battleships and Battlecruisers. but have a penalty to damage done to Capital ships themselves.

Reason:

So Phoenix Pilots can have a choice, Good damage application to Battleships and Battlecruisers, but poor damage to Capitals, or good damage to Capitals, but the same low damage application to sub-capitals.

The other Dreads, Revelation, Moros, Naglfar can hit a Sub-capital ship for their full, 3k+ dps when their target is webbed or is slow moving (before resistances), where as the Phoenix, with Citadel cruise launchers, won't be able to apply full damage unless the Sub-capital has a ridiculous amount of Target painters and webs on them. Possible but unpractical, which is why Phoenixes aren't used much except for POS bashing.

Balancing:

Obviously we would want the Phoenix to still have a very high amount of dps while in Siege mode since it is still a dread but we don't want it, as CCP said, make it a "Sub-cap blapping monster", and instant killing battleships and Battlecruisers, so we could possibly make the Rapid Launchers do 1/2 alpha as citadel cruises(so it doesn't 1 shot everything) but shoot twice as fast(maintain its dps)

Example:

(Not actual numbers, but i'm writing them as if its the dps like you would see on EFT and before resistances)
Cruise Launchers with lvl 5 skills does 10k Alpha every 20 seconds
Rapid Cruise Launcher with lvl 5 skills does 5k Alpha every 10 seconds

Then give the launchers a Penalty to damage applied to Capital ships.

Maybe make it that "faster launch speed" is only available while in Siege mode to give it a handicap.

Its just a suggestion, it would be up to CCP to balance it and design the numbers.


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My corp used to run the end all of dedicated blap phoenixes in our wormhole... nothing more hilarious then throwing some webs and tps around and then the noble ship SUDDENLY PHOENIX warping into the middle of the fight...

They might not have the subcap projection of a tracking moros or something but anything that 2 shots logistics cruisers is fairly win in my book...

Not sure how any of this translates out of my unbonussed wormhole into k-space but i suspect the math is more or less simular. Also No dread is intended to fight subcaps, think this would result in a further shift in the capital direction which i do not support...


Not supported unless a serious need/flaw is shown

Honestly, Dreadnoughts need a hefty balance pass devoted to them.

Capitals in general, but Dreadnoughts in particular. Hopefully it will be part of a mini expac sometime soon.

They need to do that for all missiles except lights and torpedoes.

Why is a rapid cruise launcher firing citadel missiles? The rapid series uses ammo from a size down.

From the standpoint of module consistency, I could totally get behind this. We have cruiser-sized Rapid Light Missile Launchers and battleship-sized Rapid Heavy Missile Launchers, so a dreadnaught-sized Rapid Cruise Missile Launcher would fit right in.

However, from an overall game balance perspective I'm torn. As they stand currently, dreadnaughts are supposed to have a hard time engaging subcaps without support, and this would throw that notion out the window.

On the whole, I support, if for no other reason than because I doubt that CCP will ever fix capital missiles, and this would be of benefit to the Phoenix.

How overpowered would it be if instead the citadel missiles got a revamp?
Examples: One type would be something akin to smartbombs, each missles at explosion will deal 350dmg unsieged 700dmg sieged in a 2.5km blast radius.
The second type dmg application functions much like the regular bombs, damage is based on just sig radious.

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by "capitals" you mean carriers because all supercaps take full damage from a phoenix unless for some reason they're running a halo set instead of a slave set, and dreads in siege tend not to move much.

Let's not misrepresent the issue here...


All dreads are supposed to have poor damage application to sub cap ships... it's what keeps them from being a one stop shop, end all and be all of PvP

You want to deal with sub caps, bring a support fleet, that's the point.

Would be realy easy, just reduce capital gun tracking to like 30% of what it is now. Should still be able to hit moving capitals just as easy as missiles do, so that would be balanced

Problem (possibly best part) with that approach is the 200+ pages of whining/tears it would generate.