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Increasing Insurance Prices for Every death.
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LazyDeer
US Space Force
Black Rose.
#1 - 2014-09-02 18:11:03 UTC
Everyone is complaining about being ganked and how it cost them nothing to gank. So I suggest we make a increasing cost for insurance for those who die. This way both party's are affected and people can stop crying about justice, and how there not paying for there crimes and etc.

How it works:
You buy insurance on X ship and it cost Y(this price doesn't matter)
You die and your insurances refunds you X money
You buy insurance on X ship again and it cost Y + Z(like 1% or 5%) the increase percentage for dying
You continue to die and die and now the insurance cost more than what its worth
At the end of the month or whatever time is set depending on wars, Events, Etc Your insurance is reset to the original cost of X+0%

This way both parties are required to pay for dying but those who die more will be affected more, making dying worth more.
Domanique Altares
Rifterlings
#2 - 2014-09-02 18:25:47 UTC
LazyDeer wrote:
Everyone is complaining about being ganked and how it cost them nothing to gank. So I suggest we make a increasing cost for insurance for those who die. This way both party's are affected and people can stop crying about justice, and how there not paying for there crimes and etc.

How it works:
You buy insurance on X ship and it cost Y(this price doesn't matter)
You die and your insurances refunds you X money
You buy insurance on X ship again and it cost Y + Z(like 1% or 5%) the increase percentage for dying
You continue to die and die and now the insurance cost more than what its worth
At the end of the month or whatever time is set depending on wars, Events, Etc Your insurance is reset to the original cost of X+0%

This way both parties are required to pay for dying but those who die more will be affected more, making dying worth more.


What?

You want insurance to cost more for people who get ganked?

What is the purpose? To teach them some sort of lesson? Losing their ships doesn't teach them; higher insurance isn't going to teach them, either.
Alvatore DiMarco
Capricious Endeavours Ltd
#3 - 2014-09-02 18:54:45 UTC
I'm pretty sure the people complaining about how ganking costs nothing have no idea how ganks actually work.

It's easy to make ridiculous claims about something when you're totally ignorant of the topic at hand.
Fer'isam K'ahn
SAS Veterinarians
#4 - 2014-09-02 18:56:18 UTC
This is quite silly ... anyway... I don't insure ships since the second week °° What?

Gankers gonna gank, griefers gonna grief, no price is to high for tears and LoLs. Roll

And I am still not sure who you are going to punish, the 300.000 ISK gank pilots or the 300.000.000 ganked ones - duhhh ! Shocked
Kell Braugh
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#5 - 2014-09-02 18:57:38 UTC
So, you wanna nerf sub capital/cheap pvp?
Frostys Virpio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#6 - 2014-09-02 19:08:27 UTC
Kell Braugh wrote:
So, you wanna nerf sub capital/cheap pvp?


The dudes getting wrecked by this change would effectively be the people trying to learn PvP. We totally need to nail those guys while they are possibly losing many ships per day while the guy crying about ganks probably lose on average 2 ship per year or less...
LazyDeer
US Space Force
Black Rose.
#7 - 2014-09-02 23:08:32 UTC
You know its funny you guys are only talking about those who get ganked, which only die once or twice a month in reality so this isn't affecting them as much. But those who gank and are killed by concord never mind them nope they only die tens to hundreds of time a month. Also i found it funny how insurance should work, because a flat rate every time seems like insurance isn't working how it should. Also those who are learning how to pvp if they have no other way to make money then they shouldn't be pvping, let alone find a corp who will reimburse them for there lose because you know that's not a thing.

Heck those who don't die all the time could get lower rates. Reward the good players for using there brain to stay alive and punish the stupid, thought that's how eve works.
Paranoid Loyd
#8 - 2014-09-02 23:22:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Paranoid Loyd
Suicide gankers don't get insurance for the ships used in ganks.

/thread

"There is only one authority in this game, and that my friend is violence. The supreme authority upon which all other authority is derived." ISD Max Trix

Fix the Prospect!
LazyDeer
US Space Force
Black Rose.
#9 - 2014-09-02 23:23:32 UTC
Paranoid Loyd wrote:
Suicide gankers don't get insurance for the ships used in ganks.

Doesn't mean there rate shouldn't go up for the ships they do.
Paranoid Loyd
#10 - 2014-09-02 23:26:19 UTC
LazyDeer wrote:
Paranoid Loyd wrote:
Suicide gankers don't get insurance for the ships used in ganks.

Doesn't mean there rate shouldn't go up for the ships they do.


I don't insure any of my ships.

"There is only one authority in this game, and that my friend is violence. The supreme authority upon which all other authority is derived." ISD Max Trix

Fix the Prospect!
ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors
#11 - 2014-09-02 23:31:12 UTC  |  Edited by: ShahFluffers
LazyDeer wrote:
Paranoid Loyd wrote:
Suicide gankers don't get insurance for the ships used in ganks.

Doesn't mean there rate shouldn't go up for the ships they do.

Ummm... yeah. You might want to re-read the current mechanics first and learn about the way things are actually done.

People who suicide gank don't buy insurance in the first place. Because no insurance is paid out if CONCORD kills you. So there is no point.


Your idea does affect everyone else though... specifically newbies who rely on the insurance system to do cheapo PvP in low-sec.

How did you Veterans start?
Frostys Virpio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#12 - 2014-09-03 03:10:42 UTC
ShahFluffers wrote:
LazyDeer wrote:
Paranoid Loyd wrote:
Suicide gankers don't get insurance for the ships used in ganks.

Doesn't mean there rate shouldn't go up for the ships they do.

Ummm... yeah. You might want to re-read the current mechanics first and learn about the way things are actually done.

People who suicide gank don't buy insurance in the first place. Because no insurance is paid out if CONCORD kills you. So there is no point.


Your idea does affect everyone else though... specifically newbies who rely on the insurance system to do cheapo PvP in low-sec.


I think he means they would buy it for other ship they don't use in ganks.
Frostys Virpio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#13 - 2014-09-03 03:16:18 UTC
LazyDeer wrote:
You know its funny you guys are only talking about those who get ganked, which only die once or twice a month in reality so this isn't affecting them as much. But those who gank and are killed by concord never mind them nope they only die tens to hundreds of time a month. Also i found it funny how insurance should work, because a flat rate every time seems like insurance isn't working how it should. Also those who are learning how to pvp if they have no other way to make money then they shouldn't be pvping, let alone find a corp who will reimburse them for there lose because you know that's not a thing.

Heck those who don't die all the time could get lower rates. Reward the good players for using there brain to stay alive and punish the stupid, thought that's how eve works.


The insurance was never meant to work like IRL.

If the guy in low sec learning how to PvP need to pay more for his insurance, you are effectively cutting down content because he will have to farm that much more by whatever mean he has to get more ISK.

The only god damn time the insurance actually serve as anything but an isk faucet is when a ship does not die and you want to reduce the price of that?

The reward for being good at PvP is keeping your ship while the penalty for losing is to well, lose your ship. That's enough of a loss unless you want people to spend even more time farming missions/incursions/anoms/whatever...

You idea basically only benefit to one type of people, those who don't engange in PvP and by gain, I really mean don't lose.
Lugh Crow-Slave
#14 - 2014-09-03 03:34:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Lugh Crow-Slave
LazyDeer wrote:
those who are learning how to pvp if they have no other way to make money then they shouldn't be pvping punish the stupid, thought that's how eve works.



Yeah screw new players make them sit mining in HS for there first few months so the can get the best first impressions of the gameStraight

BLOPS Hauler
The 16.8km Bubble
Alvatore DiMarco
Capricious Endeavours Ltd
#15 - 2014-09-03 05:28:53 UTC
LazyDeer wrote:
You know its funny you guys are only talking about those who get ganked, which only die once or twice a month in reality so this isn't affecting them as much. But those who gank and are killed by concord never mind them nope they only die tens to hundreds of time a month. Also i found it funny how insurance should work, because a flat rate every time seems like insurance isn't working how it should. Also those who are learning how to pvp if they have no other way to make money then they shouldn't be pvping, let alone find a corp who will reimburse them for there lose because you know that's not a thing.

Heck those who don't die all the time could get lower rates. Reward the good players for using there brain to stay alive and punish the stupid, thought that's how eve works.


I wanted to put some actual effort into this reply and then I noticed that you're a forum alt.
Zan Shiro
Doomheim
#16 - 2014-09-03 05:38:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Zan Shiro
LazyDeer wrote:
You know its funny you guys are only talking about those who get ganked, which only die once or twice a month in reality so this isn't affecting them as much. But those who gank and are killed by concord never mind them nope they only die tens to hundreds of time a month. Also i found it funny how insurance should work, because a flat rate every time seems like insurance isn't working how it should. Also those who are learning how to pvp if they have no other way to make money then they shouldn't be pvping, let alone find a corp who will reimburse them for there lose because you know that's not a thing.

Heck those who don't die all the time could get lower rates. Reward the good players for using there brain to stay alive and punish the stupid, thought that's how eve works.



First, dying is a part of eve pvp. Lets have the noobs accept and move on despite this not raising insurance on them. I cba to e-stalk you name on killboards but I am going to assume you are not a pvp god who didn't crash and burn a few frigs and cruisers starting out. If we have noobs splitting pve time to cover the difference of what insurance doesn't cover to rush out and try again....we have ourselves a player playing eve right. Lets not have them join the masses of billionaires in empire going man I will pvp after I make 5 billion more, I mean it this time.

And not all players die to stupidity. Some good players die to just better players. No stupid mistakes made..its just they got outplayed. Since tis the season and we see t1 frigs in comps from time time....I'd like to see you go against one of the consistent performers of AT t1 frig for t1 frig (or any class of ship of t1...will avoid the t2 insurance sucks bait lol) and see how you make out.

If you go boom..do I get to call you stupid and not have you report my post for personal attack violation (as I am using your own words...)? Hell I will be nice and give you up and comers. Of course how nice I am here is debatable. Some up and comers put on some good shows this year.
Poena Loveless
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#17 - 2014-09-03 07:47:54 UTC
I think you are missing the point of the game completely. It isn't to not loose your ship, it is to have fun interacting with other people, which when done right, means lots of ships blow up. Why would we want to reward NOT taking risks?
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#18 - 2014-09-03 08:26:03 UTC
This thread...

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Adrie Atticus
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#19 - 2014-09-03 08:46:40 UTC
Tie insurance to forum shiptoasting, more for more.
Lugalzagezi666
#20 - 2014-09-03 09:42:42 UTC
Insurance is stupid, it shouldnt be in game at all if it doesnt take ship losses, use of the ship and area where it is used into account.
And insurance company paying you after involving in criminal activity and losing the ship to concord MULTIPLE times over and over is biggest idiocy in eve.
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