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Plea for tolerance in gaming community

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E-2C Hawkeye
State War Academy
Caldari State
#21 - 2014-09-02 20:22:05 UTC  |  Edited by: E-2C Hawkeye
Dave Stark wrote:
I miss the time when the correct course of action was to just punch the kid being mean...

those were the days.

So if you put an arse whooping on a bully does that make you a bully buliler?
Ralph King-Griffin
Lords.Of.Midnight
The Devil's Warrior Alliance
#22 - 2014-09-02 20:29:32 UTC
Komi Toran wrote:
Vincent Athena wrote:
"Thousands of developers sign plea for tolerance in gaming community"

You know, the most intolerant people on the Internet seem to be those that always preach about tolerance. It's generally because they are confused as to what "tolerance" really is, thinking it means no one ever says a mean thing or gives you the stink eye, and everyone always celebrates whatever you think makes you a special snowflake. This attitude, of course, is incompatible with actual tolerance, which is why the original word must be maimed to conform with IngSoc.

glad im not the only one thinking it .
Marsha Mallow
#23 - 2014-09-02 20:29:59 UTC
Vincent Athena wrote:
"We believe that everyone, no matter what gender, sexual orientation, ethnicity, religion or disability has the right to play games, criticize games and make games without getting harassed or threatened."

This request isn't unreasonable and quite honestly it shouldn't even need to be presented as a 'plea for tolerance'. It should be a demand for intolerance of abuses that cross into RL based upon all of the above. As per Komi's remarks, I've seen that argument before, but intolerance of intolerance doesn't have to be expressed violently or oppressively.

Do and say what you like in cyberspace - and try wriggle out of it via GMs/Mods - but in the real world, a lot of this crap is classed as a hate crime. Or would earn you a smack in the gob. There's some sort of mass delusion here where a minority (?) seem to think spending hours creating a boobylicious avatar and sucking up to other likeminded opinionated attention seekers entitles them to be complete knobs, as well as guarantees some sort of anonymity. Newsflash gobshites: if you threate to **** and murder people IRL (and their families), chances are one of you is going to get caught at some point and taught what those **** jokes really mean. If you revert to a juvenile state online, you're gonna get censored eventually and you'll probably be among the dubious group responsible for accelerating the process by being so hilariously outrageous about it. Grrr... (funnily enough one of those articles mentions the Quinn ex was deleted on SA).

If people are spiteful enough to ruin lives over the internet (and think they can get away with it) it's about time they start being taught a few lessons about how RL works, and where the line is. That's nothing to do with being politically correct, or thin-skinned. It's operating a zero tolerance approach to abnormal levels of abuse. If you don't like it, **** off to a community that tolerates it IRL.

Jenn aSide wrote:
As a black man (don't let the white girl avatar fool you) from Texas I say to those people a hearty HTFU
As a non-white woman from Yorkshire (don't let the white girl avatar fool you, it's a wig), I'm already 'ard enough tyvm. Some of the stuff said online would result in 'death by handbag' here. That's just the grannies. Some of the creatures here might do well writing their remarks on a sammich board then strolling casually through any major city IRL in their underpants, just to see what happens. I'd like to see how well the witty forum retort would apply.

Vincent Athena wrote:
but how about CCP as a company?

+1 would like to see a statement on this

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Trixie Lawless
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#24 - 2014-09-02 20:38:19 UTC
Marsha Mallow wrote:
Vincent Athena wrote:
"We believe that everyone, no matter what gender, sexual orientation, ethnicity, religion or disability has the right to play games, criticize games and make games without getting harassed or threatened."

This request isn't unreasonable and quite honestly it shouldn't even need to be presented as a 'plea for tolerance'. It should be a demand for intolerance of abuses that cross into RL based upon all of the above. As per Komi's remarks, I've seen that argument before, but intolerance of intolerance doesn't have to be expressed violently or oppressively.

Do and say what you like in cyberspace - and try wriggle out of it via GMs/Mods - but in the real world, a lot of this crap is classed as a hate crime. Or would earn you a smack in the gob. There's some sort of mass delusion here where a minority (?) seem to think spending hours creating a boobylicious avatar and sucking up to other likeminded opinionated attention seekers entitles them to be complete knobs, as well as guarantees some sort of anonymity. Newsflash gobshites: if you threate to **** and murder people IRL (and their families), chances are one of you is going to get caught at some point and taught what those **** jokes really mean. If you revert to a juvenile state online, you're gonna get censored eventually and you'll probably be among the dubious group responsible for accelerating the process by being so hilariously outrageous about it. Grrr... (funnily enough one of those articles mentions the Quinn ex was deleted on SA).

If people are spiteful enough to ruin lives over the internet (and think they can get away with it) it's about time they start being taught a few lessons about how RL works, and where the line is. That's nothing to do with being politically correct, or thin-skinned. It's operating a zero tolerance approach to abnormal levels of abuse. If you don't like it, **** off to a community that tolerates it IRL.

Jenn aSide wrote:
As a black man (don't let the white girl avatar fool you) from Texas I say to those people a hearty HTFU
As a non-white woman from Yorkshire (don't let the white girl avatar fool you, it's a wig), I'm already 'ard enough tyvm. Some of the stuff said online would result in 'death by handbag' here. That's just the grannies. Some of the creatures here might do well writing their remarks on a sammich board then strolling casually through any major city IRL in their underpants, just to see what happens. I'd like to see how well the witty forum retort would apply.

Vincent Athena wrote:
but how about CCP as a company?

+1 would like to see a statement on this



Or any online threats can be treated as online threats regardless if the person was black, brown, purple, polka dot, gay, straight, confused, or whatever. Why does it have to be a "plea for tolerance"? Most any kind of person is already tolerated by the vast majority of other people. You don't have to agree with something to tolerate it. The whole "plea for tolerance" thing whether in this game or RL is simply the group who thinks they are special wanting you to not only tolerate them, but to accept them or even agree with them. It's politically correct garbage and has no place in any video game.
RoAnnon
Eternity INC.
Goonswarm Federation
#25 - 2014-09-02 20:39:19 UTC
Such a plea or demand, or whatever, would be redundant and therefore of no value to those that would agree and accept such a stance without the plea being voiced, and it would be lost on those that don't care one way or the other. If something happens in an online game that stumbles into a RL issue, call local law enforcement if such an incident is actually illegal. If it stays in game, no harm no foul.

If someone wants to join in on making such a plea to help themselves feel good about themselves, more power to them. 6 / half dozen.

So, you're a bounty hunter. No, that ain't it at all. Then what are you? I'm a bounty hunter.

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Xuixien
Critical Horizon
#26 - 2014-09-02 20:42:27 UTC
EVE Online doesn't need this SJW cissgender white male privilege otherkin crap.

I'm gonna leave this here.

Epic Space Cat, Horsegirl, Philanthropist

Grimpak
Manufactorum.
Atomic Fusion Industries
#27 - 2014-09-02 20:44:03 UTC
E-2C Hawkeye wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:
I miss the time when the correct course of action was to just punch the kid being mean...

those were the days.

So if you put an arse whooping on a bully does that make you a bully buliler?

hey, while an eye for an eye makes the world go blind, just because you slapped me in the other cheek doesn't mean you don't get to be slapped on the other one.

with a baseball bat.

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[quote]The more I know about humans, the more I love animals.[/quote] ain't that right

Grimpak
Manufactorum.
Atomic Fusion Industries
#28 - 2014-09-02 20:52:48 UTC
also, before this is locked, I'm gonna quote myself here:


Quote:

Here's what I follow:

I read arguments form both sides, and both sides can be, deplorable, subhuman sickening and wrong. Issue is, these ones tend to be the ones that gather more attention.

Mysoginy exists on both sides, as does mysandry.

The few, rational and coherent voices that pop up on all this are drowned in a sea of rage for the sake of raging, and any attempt to actually be helpful is labeled as "profiteering" (feminists calling out the guys who invented a nail polish that can detect **** drugs as "profiting and creating a false sense of security" is the best example of this) or "betrayal to the cause.", because **** different opinions about the same issue, if you're not with me, you're my bitter enemy.

In the end, what I see is pretty much children using the internet as a means to gather attention (by themselves or exploiting someone's image and twist it), not to the cause, but to themselves, and a sensationalist press, looking to up their ratings gives them a hand, instead trying to get to the truth.



Hey, but that's my opinion on this whole, sordid and deplorable mess.



for reference

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[quote]The more I know about humans, the more I love animals.[/quote] ain't that right

Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#29 - 2014-09-02 20:59:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Herzog Wolfhammer
BS will fly whenever there is money in it for someone.

If this SJW crap spreads to Eve, it will be used as a metagaming tool. I have seen it happen twice already with the petition system.


You want to kill this game, this'll do it. It'll be the one thing that busts the most cherished reputation of the game. It will be said that "The SJWs finally brought Eve Online to heel".


In a world where video games have been the last safe space for men the misandry can only be pushed so far. A SJW attack on CCP or Eve may well be the Helms Deep in this "war".

Bring back DEEEEP Space!

Clementina
The Scope
#30 - 2014-09-02 21:07:50 UTC
Community members should treat each other amicably without regard for race, gender, sexual orientation, social class, or what have you. Also game developers should treat their employees, contractors, and customers professionally and without favor or disfavor to those with those characteristics as well.
However you will not get to a world where that happens through the path of the Social 'Justice' Warrior. They are too busy harassing people to do anything else. confer this website for my evidence.

Also games journalists are laughably corrupt and have been since I want to say the late 1980's. They are purchased with free beta invites, DLC, hardware and games consoles, and ebayable swag. They also make sure to give high marks to games whose studios have purchased large amounts of advertizing and also high marks to their friends. They are not the way to tolerance for all people. Tiny cliques accustomed to receiving free benefits due to their rank never are.
Lugia3
Lazerhawks
L A Z E R H A W K S
#31 - 2014-09-02 21:10:02 UTC
I play lots of different games, and I have yet to see one that actually allows hardcore racism and stuff. So I don't know what all those thin skinners are crying about anyway.

"CCP Dolan is full of shit." - CCP Bettik

ISD Ezwal
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
#32 - 2014-09-02 21:15:23 UTC
I don't care about where your crib stood, your nationality, the colour of your skin, who you sleep with, your age, your wealth, your political views or what sex you are.

I don't care about it if in-game you podded me, stole from me, scammed me or 'discussed some issues' with me using several large Blaster Cannons.

What I DO care about is that you play EvE. And when we meet, we shake hands and tell each other tall stories about our WTFPawn mobiles, the fights we won (or lost) etcetera. Preferably while enjoying the beverages of our choice. I would not want to have it any other way.


And as far as CCP goes (and as far as they have control over the matter), the TOS states quite clearly:

2. You may not use any abusive, defamatory, ethnically or racially offensive, harassing, harmful, hateful, obscene, offensive, sexually explicit, threatening or vulgar language. (Alternate spelling or partial masking of such words will be reprimanded in the same manner as the actual use of such words.)

3. You may not organize nor be a member of any corporation or group within EVE Online that is based on or advocates any anti-ethnic, anti-gay, anti-religious, racist, sexist or other hate-mongering philosophies

4. You may not use “role-playing” as an excuse to violate these rules. While EVE Online is a persistent world, fantasy role-playing game, the claim of role-playing is not an acceptable defense for anti-social behavior. Role-playing is encouraged, but not at the expense of other player. You may not create or participate in a corporation or group that habitually violates this policy.



btw, Thread moved to OOPE.

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Grimpak
Manufactorum.
Atomic Fusion Industries
#33 - 2014-09-02 21:21:31 UTC
Lugia3 wrote:
I play lots of different games, and I have yet to see one that actually allows hardcore racism and stuff. So I don't know what all those thin skinners are crying about anyway.

in 5 years I can think of only 2 games with big names behind them that touch gender or racial issues:

Duke Nukem Forever, of which is done in a tongue-in-cheek satyr.
Bioshock Infinite, of which is actually done to portrait how USA was back then.

Neither were to be taken seriously because one was done satirically, and the other was done to place it, historically.

[img]http://eve-files.com/sig/grimpak[/img]

[quote]The more I know about humans, the more I love animals.[/quote] ain't that right

Absolutely Not Analt
Carebears on Fire
#34 - 2014-09-02 21:23:01 UTC
Komi Toran wrote:
Vincent Athena wrote:
"Thousands of developers sign plea for tolerance in gaming community"

You know, the most intolerant people on the Internet seem to be those that always preach about tolerance. It's generally because they are confused as to what "tolerance" really is, thinking it means no one ever says a mean thing or gives you the stink eye, and everyone always celebrates whatever you think makes you a special snowflake. This attitude, of course, is incompatible with actual tolerance, which is why the original word must be maimed to conform with IngSoc.


Here here.

Eve is a multi player game. And you are the content. - Ralph King-Griffin Being meh at two things is not better than being great at one. - Lugh Crow-Slave

Sentamon
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#35 - 2014-09-02 21:57:14 UTC
People that are mean in the imaginary world of games tend to be nicer people in the real world as a result.

I'll sign anything that calls for thin skinned people that can't separate fantasy from reality leaving the gaming scene forever.

~ Professional Forum Alt  ~

Bernie Nator
Allspark Industries
Transformographagizers
#36 - 2014-09-02 21:57:52 UTC
Can't we all just go get a drink and get along? I just wanted everyone to be equal.
Grimpak
Manufactorum.
Atomic Fusion Industries
#37 - 2014-09-02 22:31:23 UTC
Bernie Nator wrote:
Can't we all just go get a drink and get along? I just wanted everyone to be equal.

but that can't be! someone wants to be a special snowflake!

[img]http://eve-files.com/sig/grimpak[/img]

[quote]The more I know about humans, the more I love animals.[/quote] ain't that right

Random Nardieu
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#38 - 2014-09-02 23:31:23 UTC
Hicksimus wrote:
What's with this trend of everybody being thin-skinned. I'd rather have CCP focus on what matters(spaceships) than sit around holding hands singing kumbaya.


This!..
Remiel Pollard
Shock Treatment Ministries
#39 - 2014-09-03 00:09:11 UTC
Has this got something to do with Quinn and Sarkeesian?

Don't know much about the Quinn debacle, but as for Sarkeesian, here agenda becomes clear when properly analysed. Her videos requesting donations to make her new series were better quality than the ones she made with the funding of the donations she received.

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Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#40 - 2014-09-03 00:40:42 UTC
As a white, American, Christian, heterosexual male, I freely admit that I spit on the idea of political correctness.

Especially when people use "tolerance" as a shield to hide their fraudulent, unethical behavior or to avoid legitimate criticism. That's not fairness, that's not equality, that is a textbook example of a protected class.

I wholeheartedly reject the entire concept. I do not celebrate mediocrity, no matter how special the snowflake is responsible for it.

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