EVE General Discussion

That's not who you ware doing it for though. You need to give player corporations, *not* NPC corporations more benefits or a reduced risk as well as reducing the rewards or increasing the risk of NPC corps to encourage people to leave NPC corps. You can't expect people to leap headlong into the waiting jaws of the current highsec wardeccers, they wouldn't stand a chance and all that would happens is you'd chase people out of the game.

So what you are saying there makes no sense. You don't want to give them anything because they already have wardec immunity, yet in order to gain the benefit they would need to give up their wardec immunity.

Which is OK for you, and if the only players in the game were you, then looking at it from such a narrow perspective would be fine, but there's a lot more players in the game than just you. Take for example red-frog and pushx. They would instantly become targets for every wardeccer in the game if they had to operate out of player corps, so scrapping or nuking NPC corps is effectively saying their businesses aren't allowed to exist.

Then speak to the wardeccers. NPC corps are a necessity because for many people in them, living outside of an NPC corp means they need to spend much of their time playing content they don't like to be able to get to the PvE they like all because someone wants easy kills. If wardeccers were given more rewards for taking on more challenging players, they would choose to do so more often thus creating some room for players to venture out of hiding without getting smashed to pieces like a game of whack-a-mole.

Oh god...

Outside of highsec wardecs don't apply. Why are you in a player corp in highsec if you aren't prepared to deal with wardecs, a highsec specific mechanic? People don't have to bribe Concord to be legally allowed to shoot at you anywhere else.

If you don't want to deal with wardecs you have 3 choices, you either hide behind an NPC corps skirts, move somewhere that isn't highsec or you HTFU and deal with it.

Choice 1 is meh, NPC corps are full of older players that tell newbies that pvp, nullsec, lowsec, anything else they don't agree with are evil, and naive newbies that believe them. They are the primary source of newbie misconceptions and the "griefing" of newbies via misinformation.

Choice 2 means that people like yourself can't rely on Concord to "punish" others. Going by your previous posts you already hate that people have to take responsibility for their own safety, so not an option you'd choose. Although it's an option I would choose for you, hopefully it would make you Foxtrot Oscar to another game faster.

Choice 3 is very much in the spirit of Eve.

If you want to avoid danger in eve, there's these places called stations that are almost completely safe. But the kicker is you don't get to do much :D

+1

You can say that as many times as you want, but to the selfish "I want my cake and need to eat it too" crowd, it means nothing. All that matters is what they want, or at least they think it does.

I am continually perplexed by the idea of a gamer surrounded by dozens of games/MMOs that protect you from things they hate like 'griefing' and 'unwanted pvp' (among other things) yet still choosing to play EVE ONLINE (a game that allows actions other games call 'griefing' and that universally allows 'unwanted pvp').

I mean it's stupid. It's like being someone who loves checkers being in a room with 99 checkers boards set up and only one chess board and then choosing to sit at the ONE chess table in order to ***** and moan about how it's not checkers lol.

I am in a 1 person corp so I can avoid the wardeccs. My comments were aimed at the people who want to ban NPC corps, and force 1 player corps to engage in wars. Currently I just drop and reform the corp if it gets wardecced. Please read more carefully before responding next time.

None of which had anything to do with what i said.

The point was that those of use in highsec accept that there will be unwanted PvP (read suicide ganking), but that CONCORD will be there to assist, and are prepared to handle that. What we don't want is to lose the protection of NPC corps or 1-man corps, and be forced into wars without CONCORD protection, effectively turning highsec into low/null.

So you don't want to play a video game unless it cloaks you in NPC protection mechanics.'

Well duh, we know that. I think it's weak.

Not everyone has friends, nor should they be required to have friends.

You have friends, you can defend yourself. You should receive benefits for that.
They don't have friend, they can't defend themselves. They should receive penalties for that.

The penalty should not be high-sec becomes low-sec, though. That is rather extreme. Taxing all forms of income would strike a better balance.

So how does this make wardecs "not fine"? Well, mainly because NPC corps have become a substitute for non-aggressable corps. I'd like to see a mechanic where you can create a corp with the same NPC restrictions - no wardecs, AWOXing, etc - and same penalties too. As the current wardec system makes creation of corps for social benefits a rather obsolete idea, which really hurts player retention.

You know you jsut said 'no, but really yes' right lol?



Didn't you hear CCP this last fan fest, see the POCOs and industry revamp. EVE is moving away from NPCs and towards players. As it should be, because having to rely on imaginary friends instead of having to make (or buy.....) real ones isn't in keeping with a player driven game.

Everyday for 7 years someone has tried to 'kill' me in this video game and they have largely been ineffective despite the fact that most of the time has been spent outside of npc corps (when I've been in a corp that's been war decced, i largly don't fight back, I EVADE). That means it doesn't take a genius to survive anywhere in EVE. CCP now realizes that the old built in reliance on npcs has been bad for the game and are gradually weening people off it.

Can't wait to watch you get weened lol.