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Give bomber pilots some reason to choose the Nemesis?
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Chance Ravinne
WiNGSPAN Delivery Services
WiNGSPAN Delivery Network
#1 - 2014-08-31 23:04:30 UTC
I am by no means a bomber expert, but the consensus among more educated stealth pilots seems to be that the Nemesis is easily the worst stealth bomber.

Looking over the stats, it's easy to see why. The Nemesis just isn't the best at anything. The Manticore is easier to fit. The Hound is faster. The Purifier holds more bombs. Pretty much the only thing the Nemesis has going for it is its aesthetics.

Is there any change that could be made just to make the Nemesis strong in one area? Maybe make it significantly tankier than other bombers, or way more agile? Give it a bump in power grid so it can fit shield mods more easily? Bump its warp speed up a hair?

Nothing crazy, just a reason to use it other than LOL TRAINED GALLENTE FRIGS V ALREADY.

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Django Askulf
Black Rebel Death Squad
#2 - 2014-09-01 01:28:29 UTC
Works fine here.
HK -56
Doomheim
#3 - 2014-09-01 01:30:32 UTC  |  Edited by: HK -56
Well, I don't think increasing its agility is really the Gallente style. Those freedom fighter boats are slow, but they sure are durable. But then again by the stealth bombers nature, they are glass cannons! And shouldn't be durable.

Sleekness aside, Gallente favors sensor dampening, which we can assume means they prefer to fight at range (so that their target can't lock them and return violence), and/or that they have a small signature radius to increase lock time for their enemies. And avoid those big bullets that carry mucho violence.

So why not give them some electronic superiority and make the sexy Nemesis have a higher lock range, reduced sig radius, and see what happens?

Also, there is never not a reason for Gallente Frig V... Taranis, Ishkur, even the Incursus...

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Ireland VonVicious
Vicious Trading Company
#4 - 2014-09-01 02:35:12 UTC
I've found it to be ranked number 2 or 3 with the groups I've flown with.

You need to look at the over all performance.
Samwise Everquest
Plus 10 NV
#5 - 2014-09-01 03:12:12 UTC
1. Because it's Gallente and it looks cool.

2. See 1

Pras Phil.
Celthric Kanerian
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#6 - 2014-09-01 05:33:11 UTC
CCP should just do as they do with all gallente frigs, swing their little noobish wand and give the Nemesis a dronebay.
Sara Tosa
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#7 - 2014-09-01 06:32:53 UTC
Celthric Kanerian wrote:
CCP should just do as they do with all gallente frigs, swing their little noobish wand and give the Nemesis a dronebay.

it already got one, they just explode after 30km
kurage87
EVE University
Ivy League
#8 - 2014-09-01 07:40:19 UTC
The choice is between Purifier and Nemesis.

If you know you're hunting T2 then Purifier. If you know you're hunting T1 (or Minnie T2) (or don't really have a plan) then the Nemesis.

Damage type is the only thing that should affect your choice.
David Koen
24th Imperial Crusade
Amarr Empire
#9 - 2014-09-01 11:05:36 UTC
Nemesis is the best choice for hunting warp stabbed lp farmers and relic explorers. It has 4 middle slots to perfectly fine fit two warp scramblers has fast speed and thermal damage to go through victim shield. You know All warp stabbed farmers can spec into shield only.
Marc Durant
#10 - 2014-09-01 11:26:03 UTC
Celthric Kanerian wrote:
CCP should just do as they do with all gallente frigs, swing their little noobish wand and give the Nemesis a dronebay.


That's easily the dumbest idea I've heard in a while.

align, uncloak, target, fire torps/drop bomb and warp ou... "****, my drones, WAIT!".

Yes, yes I am. Thanks for noticing.
Chance Ravinne
WiNGSPAN Delivery Services
WiNGSPAN Delivery Network
#11 - 2014-09-01 14:47:53 UTC
Ireland VonVicious wrote:
I've found it to be ranked number 2 or 3 with the groups I've flown with.

You need to look at the over all performance.


Do you think that's because they want to fly the Nemesis, or just happens they have Gallente frigs V and not whatever is ranked 3 or 4 in your group?

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Lugia3
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#12 - 2014-09-01 17:35:59 UTC
Ireland VonVicious wrote:
I've found it to be ranked number 2 or 3 with the groups I've flown with.


Out of 4.

"CCP Dolan is full of shit." - CCP Bettik
Celthric Kanerian
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#13 - 2014-09-01 20:39:55 UTC
Marc Durant wrote:
Celthric Kanerian wrote:
CCP should just do as they do with all gallente frigs, swing their little noobish wand and give the Nemesis a dronebay.


That's easily the dumbest idea I've heard in a while.

align, uncloak, target, fire torps/drop bomb and warp ou... "****, my drones, WAIT!".


It was a joke, captain obvious...

I'm just pointing out a lot of gallente frigs got a drone bay which makes them alittle superior because they're so goddamn to hard... For example the Taranis got a drone bay... A ******* Interceptor with a drone bay... Completely ridicolous.

Have fun messing up my post... (****** homework makes you nuts)
xPredat0rz
Project.Nova
The Initiative.
#14 - 2014-09-02 07:41:28 UTC
Well here is the real deal with it.

Thermal damage is fine. It tends to be the lowest overall resist in a fleet fight because armor tanked ships fill the kinetic explosive hole and shield ships fill the EM hole.

Most of the time though your bomb loadout is going to be based on an offset damage to your mainline fleet.

Torp Loadouts for any bomber will always be their racial. Having used torp bombers to wage sov warfare the resists matter less then the up to 25% damage bonus.

My personal choice on bombers for anything

Purifier
Hound
Nemisis
Manticore.
Experiment 32423
Doomheim
#15 - 2014-09-02 13:40:36 UTC
I always felt that the differences between bombers were taken out of proportion and isn't nearly as big of a deal as people like to think it is.
Bronson Hughes
The Knights of the Blessed Mother of Acceleration
#16 - 2014-09-02 13:55:44 UTC
I can fly all of them (an alt can fly some with CovOps V). I only have two problems with the Nemesis.

1. It's butt ugly. But I find this acceptable given that so many other Gallente ships look frickin' awesome.
2. It's hard-ish to fit. It's got stats more conducive to a 3-mid bomber, but it's a 4-mid bomber. Not impossible mind you, but it doesn't have quite as much flexibility as the other bombers.

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Serendipity Lost
Repo Industries
#17 - 2014-09-02 14:30:48 UTC
So, just so I'm clear. This is a bunch of low sec faction warfare pilots that don't normally even fit bomb launchers on bombers (I think it's called a BOMBER for a reason) discussing how a particular bomber (nemisis) is bad (for their niche application) and needs a boost? I'm just trying to get my arms around the context.
Seraph IX Basarab
Outer Path
Seraphim Division
#18 - 2014-09-02 16:17:40 UTC
Chance Ravinne wrote:
I am by no means a bomber expert, but the consensus among more educated stealth pilots seems to be that the Nemesis is easily the worst stealth bomber.

Looking over the stats, it's easy to see why. The Nemesis just isn't the best at anything. The Manticore is easier to fit. The Hound is faster. The Purifier holds more bombs. Pretty much the only thing the Nemesis has going for it is its aesthetics.

Is there any change that could be made just to make the Nemesis strong in one area? Maybe make it significantly tankier than other bombers, or way more agile? Give it a bump in power grid so it can fit shield mods more easily? Bump its warp speed up a hair?

Nothing crazy, just a reason to use it other than LOL TRAINED GALLENTE FRIGS V ALREADY.



Each bomber is good at something better than the other. If you try to make the nemesis do what the hound does or the other way around, you're going to have a bad time.

The strengths of the Nemesis are it's damage type, it's 4 mid slots, the best capacitor out of the 4 mid slot bombers so that it can run all it's modules longer, and the best sig radius out of the 4 mid slot bombers. I have racial frig V for everything and I fly/own all bombers, and I still prefer the Nemesis much of the time. The only thing that's been on my mind is the fact that Isthars/Caldari T2 seem to be very popular these days hurting your ability to do damage in a lot of situations. But that shifts with patches and updates as time goes on.

People that complain about the Nemesis have issues with it over fitting, usually because they don't have all the fitting skills trained to V and look at the Manticore ignoring some of the facts listed above.
Bronson Hughes
The Knights of the Blessed Mother of Acceleration
#19 - 2014-09-02 16:29:50 UTC
Seraph IX Basarab wrote:
People that complain about the Nemesis have issues with it over fitting, usually because they don't have all the fitting skills trained to V and look at the Manticore ignoring some of the facts listed above.

My applicable fitting skills are perfect, including AWU V. My (minor) complaint about the Nemesis is that it is often just a tad short on CPU, which requires losing half of it's low slots or rig slots for a fitting mod, or going with a sub-optimal fit. The Purifier has even less CPU, but it can fit a CPU upgrade without so seriously restricting it's low slots; the price it pays for this luxury is one less mid slot.

The same could be said to some extent about the Manticore and Hound with respect to PG, but I think the Manticore is worse off than the Nemesis.

Having said all of that, I qualify this as an inconvenience. It's hardly broken, just a bit less flexible. I still use it, but for different roles than I do other bombers.

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Seraph IX Basarab
Outer Path
Seraphim Division
#20 - 2014-09-02 16:58:55 UTC
Bronson Hughes wrote:
Seraph IX Basarab wrote:
People that complain about the Nemesis have issues with it over fitting, usually because they don't have all the fitting skills trained to V and look at the Manticore ignoring some of the facts listed above.

My applicable fitting skills are perfect, including AWU V. My (minor) complaint about the Nemesis is that it is often just a tad short on CPU, which requires losing half of it's low slots or rig slots for a fitting mod, or going with a sub-optimal fit. The Purifier has even less CPU, but it can fit a CPU upgrade without so seriously restricting it's low slots; the price it pays for this luxury is one less mid slot.

The same could be said to some extent about the Manticore and Hound with respect to PG, but I think the Manticore is worse off than the Nemesis.

Having said all of that, I qualify this as an inconvenience. It's hardly broken, just a bit less flexible. I still use it, but for different roles than I do other bombers.


Yeah that's true but I think the CPU shortage is only so noticeable on the Nemi because of it's midslots. IIRC The Nemi has more CPU than all bombers but the Manticore.

I like the Manti for dual BCU II T2 fit torp fittings if I'm doing only torp engagements.

I like the Nemi for meta torp launchers + bomb launcher.

I like the hound for meta torp/bomb launcher but if I want to fit a MWD (i almost never do MWDs)

And the Purifier perhaps akin to the Manti for me.
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