Wormholes

There are a lot of threads bashing the Hyperion changes. I started one with suggestions for the future PVE changes. Only one other person gave any of his suggestions, everyone else just said why things couldn't be done.


If you guys don't be more constructive and post things you would want to see done to W-space, CCP will just do whatever they dream up on their own.

Bashing the Hyperion patch in thread after thread is repetitive and probably past the point where continuing to do that is useful. I doubt they are going to roll all those changes back (though they have adjusted them a little, which is nice) because they invested some time in it, and rarely do game companies spend time on a big patch to then roll most of it back (I've seen games go under rather than their devs admit they made obvious/predictable mistakes.)

$0.02...

First off, they will do as they please regardless, the wh population on its own cannot create enough of a ripple to force CCP to do anything. Secondly , you have to be blind, def, and lazy to not notice the amount of ppl giving out there own "$0.02". Do you even read forums threads? Have you ever heard of a podcast?

CCP is just way to out of touch with the community inside Wh's. They say they listen to the feedback, and maybe they do. Odds are they end up just ignoring it anyway.

If you want "real changes" find a more effective way to make way to get there attention.

Remind them that we the player's pay there bills.

Who exactly are you to judge?

People have been on these forums for years making suggestions and floating ideas.

Of course they will do as they please, but more and more repetitive crying about what they've done recently is just adding tears to a full bucket. There are dozens of threads all saying the same crap.

They might actually pay some attention to what would help W-space right now, because they will most likely realize their patch had the opposite of its intended effect. They probably won't admit that (game devs rarely do) but it doesn't mean they won't pay more attention to constructive ideas.



It's not just heartstab. It's CCP's money and peoples' jobs. When they invest money trying to improve W-space and they fail, they can decide to either 1) find out why and work on it again; or 2) decide W-space isn't worth the effort, because not enough customers care about W-space. Someone who is already trying to explain to his manager why thousands of dollars worth of labor has actually damaged W-space activity, not improved it, might have a hard time justifying additional resources to work on it. He might also demonstrate to that manger that he doesn't really understand W-space, so future efforts could be a waste as well.

Is there a benefit to the pages of threads bashing these changes? Sure. If CCP cares at all about why this patch did more harm than good to wormholes, they have plenty of player feedback to draw on.

CCP made predictably bad decisions to get to this point. Who knows what misguided things they might do to "fix it," if they even try. Give them some ideas instead of more bashing, because they already have an ample supply of current bashing. I see very few current suggestions. Yes, you have to re-hash it all, because they are never going to read past page 1.

What would be the point in making suggestions, if they cant even properly acknowledge the 4/5 threadnaughts they already started?

Dont get me wrong, im not a fan of design by committee, and believe CCP would have been better off to say this is what we are going to do... at least from a PR point of view.

TBH, I find myself wondering if 6 weeks dev cycle realistically allows for feedback to inform changes.

Noone wants them to roll back the entire patch. Just the mass based spawning and alter the frigate wormholes.

And ALL he will say is, " We at CCP are really happy with the way Wh-space is and we love the feedback, keep it up"

Everything they say comes straight out of the office Xerox machine, cuz its the same line they say over and over and over

Probably. But there's not much else to do, except login to your wormhole toons and play in what is now half-broken space. Or pack your bags for k-space. Or unsub.



CCP does whatever it wants to do no matter what we do. There is no link between what the community does and what CCP does, and its going to stay that way.

As for posting constructive things.... look there's been so many ideas threads, there was Corby's "little things" thread, the Hyperion feedback threads are littered with alternative ideas. Some better than others, but most better than what was implemented against the community's better judgement.

A good chunk of Hyperion consisted of community-derived changes, namely the static sig ID's, improvements to black hole effects, and the K162 changes. All of those were well received. However, mass/distance spawning and the knock-on nerf to hole rolling, uncrashable yet useless frig holes, "grand central station" lower class wormholes, and now problems with site respawns basically ruined Hyperion for a good majority of the wormhole community. Especially small groups and especially PvE oriented players.

In particular the mass/distance spawning change precipitated a lot of problems and there was a community-based alternative that was vastly superior, but CCP ignored it.

The point is the community has been constructive and we have posted alternatives, and the community-derived changes seem to be working out pretty well. So we have a good track record, but the rest of the Hyperion changes were put in against the better judgement of the wormhole community and these changes appear to far outweigh, in terms of negative impact, the benefits of the community-derived changes.

We fought hard against the changes that were obviously going to wreck things. Better alternatives were proposed. They were ignored. That got a lot of folks upset and the response was to bash the patch and CCP. Who can blame them really, all things considered? What's left to do?

Exactly


Op,
It's almost like the last 4 years or so of suggestions (to say nothing of the most recent WH CSM requested "Little Things" (let me get that for you because lazy) thread never existed.

Sheesh

we havnt been making suggestions because WHs used to work and didnt have issues that needed fixing.
you let ccp touch them ONE time and this is what happens.... i for one am not surprised. i called the outcome and have been advising people to urge ccp to NOT touch WHs for years.