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Caldari wiped out of FW?

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Vincintius Agrippa
Crimson Serpent Syndicate
#121 - 2014-09-01 03:16:59 UTC
I was away all summer and my pc was broke. From what I can gather, I think most people have set up galmil alts to take advantage of the tiers and haul in the isk. Some major guys left and went pirate, others joined test when they were in fw and left with them.

Why? well, from what ive experienced it is quite difficult to offensively solo plex after the changes. Npc navy spawn repeatedly until plex is captured. Id like to say every 60-90seconds. Their dps is irrelevant, but their repping draws the plex out. For a novice atleast, It takes about 60 or more seconds to kill these rats. Having 6 or 7 and more of these guys pop up adds another 6 or 7 minutes to a 10 minute plex. Its really not worthwhile for a few thousand LP. The problem only gets worse when you go up in plex sizes. No one even bothers with Large plexes. Every system I passed last night had about 5 or more Larges that hadnt been opened. Mediums are tricky as well. It takes too long to kill npc's and they spawn entirely to much. I had 10 thoraxes spawn in my plex......


Alot of these guy stack lp and buy ships and modules. They couldnt do it anymore. The way things are set up the gallente are in perfect position. Already having 65-70 of 100 systems in their possession at the time of the change the tiered system served them better.

The gallente dont even half to defend plexes most of the time. At t4 they can deplex at a profitable rate, however they just run missions. I plexed though 6 systems last night and the gallente paid me no mind. Every Time I thought someone would attack, A mission beacon would pop up and disappear. Local would go from me and a war target, to just me.

The Lp payout from lvl mission enables the gallente to make around 60-80k lp (if im not mistaken) and donate a portion to keep them in t4. Thus, the cycle resumes. MOre people create galmil alts. Less people plex gal systems. I honestly think they do it 24/7 because a lot of the corps killboards have been cold for almost 2 months now. Hardly any fleets........
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Vincintius Agrippa
Crimson Serpent Syndicate
#122 - 2014-09-01 03:27:10 UTC
I dont really know of anyone who completely left calmil for gallente. Except for Borg maybe. We got tired of Khan Farshatok and his Napoleon/Vladimir Putin/Joseph Stalin/Hitler/The Godfather/Anne Hathaway complex.

He's a turd and you can keep him and his minions.
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Samwise Everquest
Plus 10 NV
#123 - 2014-09-01 03:41:53 UTC
Vincintius Agrippa wrote:
I dont really know of anyone who completely left calmil for gallente. Except for Borg maybe. We got tired of Khan Farshatok and his Napoleon/Vladimir Putin/Joseph Stalin/******/The Godfather/Anne Hathaway complex.

He's a turd and you can keep him and his minions.


why do you need those shades tho?

Pras Phil.

X Gallentius
Black Eagle1
#124 - 2014-09-01 03:46:28 UTC
Vincintius Agrippa wrote:
I dont really know of anyone who completely left calmil for gallente. Except for Borg maybe. We got tired of Khan Farshatok and his Napoleon/Vladimir Putin/Joseph Stalin/******/The Godfather/Anne Hathaway complex.

He's a turd and you can keep him and his minions.

Khan was actually pretty cool when he was in Gallente. Total a**hole when he was Caldari. Big smile
Mabego Tetrimon
Spiritus Draconis
#125 - 2014-09-01 12:50:17 UTC
yei, victory, VICTORY

take it squids....take it




Squatdog
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#126 - 2014-09-02 01:13:20 UTC
Mabego Tetrimon wrote:
yei, victory, VICTORY

take it squids....take it






We just retook two systems despite being relentlessly blobbed, is that what you mean?
Crosi Wesdo
War and Order
#127 - 2014-09-02 02:03:00 UTC
When we come there we take your homes. Perhaps it would be a good idea not giving us a reason to take your home again.

We have allowed you to take a couple of systems back and you show no gratitude?
ALUCARD 1208
Jerkasaurus Wrecks Inc.
Sedition.
#128 - 2014-09-02 02:20:42 UTC  |  Edited by: ALUCARD 1208
There like Nature Reserves for the endangered species that is cal mil,

Gallente have donated these systems to stop them being hunted to extinction

You too can help the cause donate 300m isk now to help feed and home such a cute and defenseless creature

Look out for other great fundraisers like the squid ink bucket challenge
Squatdog
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#129 - 2014-09-02 04:07:35 UTC
Crosi Wesdo wrote:
When we come there we take your homes. Perhaps it would be a good idea not giving us a reason to take your home again.



Then you lose the systems in a matter of days because Gallente can't blob everywhere at once...and as we all know, if Gallente can't blob, they can't fight.
Silverbackyererse
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#130 - 2014-09-02 06:46:54 UTC
Squatdog wrote:


Then you lose the systems in a matter of days because Gallente can't blob everywhere at once...and as we all know, if Gallente can't blob, they can't fight.


QFT

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X Gallentius
Black Eagle1
#131 - 2014-09-02 06:58:23 UTC  |  Edited by: X Gallentius
Squatdog wrote:
Then you lose the systems in a matter of days because Gallente can't blob everywhere at once...and as we all know, if Gallente can't blob, they can't fight.
If that's true, why didn't you try it BEFORE we took all the systems?

Possible Reasons:
1. Lack of competitive spirit.
2. Enjoy giving up the entire warzone.
3. Wait for Gallente to achieve goal so they don't try as hard.
Silverbackyererse
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#132 - 2014-09-02 07:22:33 UTC
X Gallentius wrote:
Squatdog wrote:
Then you lose the systems in a matter of days because Gallente can't blob everywhere at once...and as we all know, if Gallente can't blob, they can't fight.
If that's true, why didn't you try it BEFORE we took all the systems?

Possible Reasons:
1. Lack of competitive spirit.
2. Enjoy giving up the entire warzone.
3. Wait for Gallente to achieve goal so they don't try as hard.


Stop blaming Caldari for your current situation XGal - you put yourselves in this position, now you need to dig yourselves back out of it again. P
Super Chair
Project Cerberus
Templis CALSF
#133 - 2014-09-02 08:39:42 UTC
A detailed account of the last few weeks



Right now while FW sov can generate content it boils down to which side is willing to sit at their computer 16 hours a day, fights or no fights. Sometimes if no one is willing to fight you, you have to do a little work to get said fights (such as the small group that pushed vlil because some screaming war eagles didn't want to fight us Blink) but if you call everyone everytime you want to take a system you shouldn't be surprised that people with smaller numbers or less time to invest just find it easier to just deny you guys content and take the system back at their convenience after the blob moves on. That's not to say calmil corps won't come out for a few fights, we're just not going to go full neckbeard for weeks on end.

You guys are really good at blobbing systems though, congrats. You're starting to play FW a lot like some people play null, so I honestly don't blame corporations like QCATS for wanting to leave FW with a distaste for the way FW has been going since they cannot just log in and go a couple jumps for pew pew like the "good ole days".

This doesn't mean cal mil is going to go anywhere though and you should realize that by now. FW mechanics still require you to spread out instead of show up for a reinforcement timer with hundreds of dudes like it is in null if you want to hold everything. Maybe you guys should just declare the entire warzone a fortress and stock ships in every system Lol
ALUCARD 1208
Jerkasaurus Wrecks Inc.
Sedition.
#134 - 2014-09-02 09:28:46 UTC
i for one welcome our new pizza overlords had fun fighting them last night and even outnumbered buy 4-5 people still came bk a few times, there was a bit of shittalk in local but also some serious stuff and links to each other for future fights forged between fcs.

Dont think these guys are gunna be shitlords like test and evoke and actually do have skills
Irya Boone
The Scope
#135 - 2014-09-02 10:14:25 UTC

Yep because Only 30 People in galmil stay logged evry day during 16+ hours straight to take systems .... ? i know can't cure your retardation but ...

During all the Plexes fleets only 2 or 3 people stayed more than 5 hours plexing , we got 5 or more different FC in a day, except Sundays ..
Even if it's a Game , you can play it seriously ( as chess).
Are you sure only Galmil has teenagers living in their grandma basement?

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Then you lose the systems in a matter of days because Gallente can't blob everywhere at once...and as we all know, if Gallente can't blob, they can't fight.


Just LOL , remind me which systems we lost? hysera and heyd .. 2 systems of UCF/REVO/old man gang and all the Russians pirates of lowsec , did'nt see many calmil in the area when the fell and i don't think calmil has something to do with this sov swap.

But anyway we were right about taking the WZ because if i believe what you are saying .. calmil is back on track Lol

CCP it's time to remove Off Grid Boost and Put Them on Killmail too, add Logi on killmails .... Open that damn door !!

you shall all bow and pray BoB

GavinGoodrich
Perkone
Caldari State
#136 - 2014-09-02 10:58:12 UTC
Long live the war.

Haaaaaalp my head's on fire

Thanatos Marathon
Moira.
#137 - 2014-09-02 13:05:06 UTC
Now we need the Caldari to try and take the entire warzone.
Alexander Eisenhower
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#138 - 2014-09-02 13:29:53 UTC
Degnar Oskold wrote:
Pushing Calmil out will mean that us in GalMil will be free for the true objective.... claiming Nullsec systems FOR THE FEDERATION!



Wait.....what???
Silverbackyererse
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#139 - 2014-09-02 13:30:58 UTC
Super Chair wrote:


Rational stuff.




Stop that right now Superchair. You'll get this thread locked for content.
Moglarr
Operation Meatshield
#140 - 2014-09-02 13:49:36 UTC
There seems to be a reoccurring theme that one side owes the other "good fights" and "content". I would disagree with that opinion. I do not owe the Gallente militia pilots anything, except the mutual understanding that I will try to make them become dead, and they will do the same to me. Can that lead to interesting interactions and combat? Yes. Can that lead to tactics being employed that people would scoff at? Also yes, and I think it should be up to their peers to condemn the actions if they do not agree with them. When it came to the various system invasions, the goal of the Gallente was not "for the good and honourable fights" but for total system control. Anyone who says otherwise is dumb, and lacks situational awareness. Or perhaps my perception is wrong, I logged in to find fleets outnumbering my side, my comrades reported similar things. The Gallente deployed in high enough constant numbers that their enemy was not motivated to engage them, that was part of the objective. Did I like the tactic? Obviously not, I was on the receiving end. Would I use that tactic? Absolutely. That is how you take a system, as I see it. You deploy overwhelming force until the iHub is vulnerable. The downside to it is that it isn't fun, it makes logging in for both sides boring because nothing is happening.

Honestly, I don't know how your pilots didn't go insane just spinning buttons all day. Congratulations on keeping them logged on long enough for that because I have found, during my search for a home that I loath plexing. Good company only makes it bearable.

Super Chair wrote:
A detailed account of the last few weeks



Right now while FW sov can generate content it boils down to which side is willing to sit at their computer 16 hours a day, fights or no fights. Sometimes if no one is willing to fight you, you have to do a little work to get said fights (such as the small group that pushed vlil because some screaming war eagles didn't want to fight us Blink) but if you call everyone everytime you want to take a system you shouldn't be surprised that people with smaller numbers or less time to invest just find it easier to just deny you guys content and take the system back at their convenience after the blob moves on. That's not to say calmil corps won't come out for a few fights, we're just not going to go full neckbeard for weeks on end.

You guys are really good at blobbing systems though, congrats. You're starting to play FW a lot like some people play null, so I honestly don't blame corporations like QCATS for wanting to leave FW with a distaste for the way FW has been going since they cannot just log in and go a couple jumps for pew pew like the "good ole days".

This doesn't mean cal mil is going to go anywhere though and you should realize that by now. FW mechanics still require you to spread out instead of show up for a reinforcement timer with hundreds of dudes like it is in null if you want to hold everything. Maybe you guys should just declare the entire warzone a fortress and stock ships in every system Lol


Quoted for truth.