Player Features and Ideas Discussion

How about CCP ditches two attributes from all missiles and call it a day?

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There should be more options for missile ships to improve damage application via fitting like the other weapon systems have.

It's never been implemented because of the rage which greeted the idea last time CCP suggested it... Which is wierd if everyone broadly agrees...

I guess you would think that would make the two even as a newborn but it is not as easy as that.

Maybe I should just repeat myself, just for your consideration!


When I first entered New Eden almost eight (8) years ago, no missile had the two "tracking" attributes I am talking as long as it will take them to make them go away about.

So you can take my word for it that I already know, how different that is, not hypothetically, no for real because I was there.

Three months after my tutorial someone with an 'X' in his name thought it would be a good idea to add those two attributes.

A very, very long thread in the forums responded that is wasn't and guess what? It wasn't.

For about 6 years nobody was taking missiles into serious consideration when it came to pvp until someone made a video with a Drake in it.

Before Empyrean Age missiles used to be a very serious thread to come across and noone would have made any kind of joke about a Raven busting a gatecamp.

People just bailed in fear of ever getting cought by one.

I really do not get why it is difficult for you more simple folks to comprehend that taking away that missile tracking nonesense is going to make missiles overpowered all of a sudden?

It won't.

Missiles would just become competitive.

See, missiles are that weapon system you could compare to artillery turrets with the tiny difference that missiles would do damage at the end of the cycle instead at the beginning of the cycle, so your 60% of an arty tornado alpha would have to wait a little to do damage, if at all.

You whinematar only want your sooper-dooper alpha turret for yourself but guess what, we Caldari volley you out of existence.

Do you see the irony here?

For a whinematar, 11000 hp alpha is all goody and everything is fine but a Caldari hull with 5000 delayed alpha, it's totally overpowerded, EVE is dying, goofswarm disbanding, all nullsec conquered by Caldari faction warfare and no stopping the Caldari because you are bad at dragging the right modules for the job on your fitting screen.

Well, I can and will not help you with that.

I will stand by opinion that missiles tracking was a bad idea and it needs to go.

I may be guilty here of not fully understanding this but here is my two cents worth.

Tracking - a bad word to use when applied to missiles but it serves well for comparison.
Gun based system suffer from a physical limitation on how fast the turrets can move, bigger guns means bigger turrets and that means more mass which equals harder to turn so the bigger the gun the bigger the tracking speed reduction. In the same way missiles have a "tracking", the limits on missiles are based on the physics of how hard it is to get and object to turn in flight. Faster and/or heavier are harder to turn than lighter and/or slower, think commercial airliner versus small private plane here.

Bullets get to targets faster than missiles in the real world so it seems appropriate to me that it would be this way in EVE. To me the speed of missiles in the game seems about right when comparing them to real world experiences between rockets/missiles and guns. So I would say no to a speed increase.

EVE is about options and which one is best for a specific situation. Change missiles so they behave like guns and why bother to have them in the game at all. No I want missiles to act like missiles, if I want the performance characteristics of guns then I use guns. In other words I want the flexibility offered by having the unique characteristics of both systems available.

With that said I do agree that it would be nice to have more options. Gun based systems seem to have rigs and modules that affect virtually every aspect of their performance while missiles get rigs and the ballistic controls. As a mission runner here are a few things I would like to see.
Module to reduce explosion radius, how to balance this for PvP I will leave open for those who fly PvP.
Module to increase explosion velocity. Same as above.
Module to increase the "tracking" by reducing velocity back to that physics thing.
Module to increase flight time, speed or maybe a combination of both balanced by a reduction in damage and a greater chance they will miss the target as range increases.
These would give players a better chance to tailor the missiles performance to meet the demand or personal preferences.

Artillery have terrible tracking. Your argument is invalid. No missile tracking would mean Ravens killing cruisers and frigates in seconds.


You must either be a huge missile fanboy or just plain dumb

Missile formula discussions have been done to death. If you don't understand why they're bad in their current implementation then you're a bonafide idiot.

I like the idea and thought behind it.

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Why do people have this attitude, when they're posting an idea for the developers to consider changing or adding to the game? "I don't have to prove why this is necessary, the developers should just do it now."

Anyway, explosion velocity and explosion radius will never be removed. Without those, a torpedo Raven will 100% of the time volley a frigate and there's nothing the frigate could ever do about it. If your response is "it's more expensive so it should be beat less expensive things," go back to WoW because Eve is about using ships to their advantages, not grabbing a ship that's perfect for every situation.

Edit: Oh, and while we're at it, Citadel Torpedos with perfect application against cruisers and battleships. I can totally see why you want explosion velocity and explosion radius removed from the game.

funny you say that .. because rockets, light missiles and HAMS all got damage buffs in the last missile rebalance (when they nerfed heavies)..