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CCP X-MAS BAG FAIL.

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Embrace My Hate
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#41 - 2011-12-10 11:43:12 UTC
Jade Constantine wrote:
Embrace My Hate wrote:
Jade Constantine wrote:
Perhaps the ironic thing here is that for anyone that remembers the original CCP events team - events (back when Eve was only 10k 15k online) there were similar complaints that the same people were always getting the loot from the events because they made it their business to lurk in the events channels and would quickly relocate to where all the shinies were. But ultimately, it was players flying pimped ships doing the intel work up that put them in the right time and place.

I can tell you from experience though that little guys do sometimes get lucky. Old corp mate of mine managed to snag one of the only Opus Luxury yachts in existence from an event to celebrate the launch of quafe ultra and that was just a matter of being in the right place at the right time and swooping in for the loot.

I do understand its dispiriting to see these CCP fleets that *always* seem to be harvested by PL and their 0.0 allies and it looks fishy - but you need to look past that really as a simple reality of the server at the moment. PL is the Eve aristocracy and when something shiny appears they will come down with their golden chariots and hunt with ivory bows like the kings and queens of old. Thats just fact and the outcome of multiple years of unchallenged moon income etc and static 0.0 napfest. There isn't much anyone can do about *that*.

But what you can do is get into a cheap clone, prep a lootstealing cloaky vessel (bomber will do nicely) and listen to the same rumours PL do. Put PL fleet commanders and personalities in your location agents. Listen to the news, inflitrate pirate intel channels. Travel fast to the site of battles and prepare to steal the loots from under PL noses with a ship that costs less than then ammo they are using.

Ordinary capsuleers (you and me) are the rats in the wainscotting of this dystopian world. The huge alliances have no respect for individuality and seek only conformity and slavish obedience from their drones. We individuals are beneath their notice and that gives us an opportunity to thieve and steal and sabotage from under the gaze of these space-kings and jealous tyrants.

Rather than whining on the forums that things are not fair (nothing is fair) go prep your loot stealing vessels and swap to a cheap clone. Swarm these engagements and steal plex and bpcs out from the grasping fingers of the aristrocracy and toast your larcenary from the shrouding darkness of the cloak while the gods of eve lament the presence of insects to steal their prizes.

But understand this. To PL and their 0.0 nap allies you are nothing. You will never be respected or accepted or dealt a fair hand. Eve is a cruel and unkind universe. So learn the arts and techniques you need to survive and prosper despite the reign of burnished tyrants that rule these stars from their immortal moon-goo empires.

Your victory little loot ninja is your continued existence and drawing breath on the morrow.

And for that I at least salute you and call you my comrade at arms.


PL/TEST were never there for the loot. We go where the fights are end of story. It is also well known that we operate with an NBSI policy just like most 0.0 alliances. It has nothing to do with lack of respect for any other player in the game it is simply PvP. Thinking otherwise is just selfish.


Why is it selfish to consider you members of a distant uncaring aristrocracy that have no care or concern for the rats in the wainscotting of Eve? I see that outlook as pure surivival mechanism and a function of wising up to the way things are. If PL/TEST is not there for the loot (true or not) it makes no difference to the dynamic I espouse. Anyone whining about these matters would be best advised to take a minor risk (clone+cheap bomber) and go loot thieving and steal from the divine immortals of the 0.0 napfests to demonstrate their independence to the server at large.

Your leaders think only in terms of 100s and 1000s of followers. To them we individuals are nothing. Beneath contempt or notice. So be it, I merely say use that dynamic to urge the pathetic individuals of eve to steal from the god-kings and chariot-warriors of 0.0 and laugh at the ranks of power.



I see... See you on the battlefield Twisted
Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
#42 - 2011-12-10 11:44:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Jade Constantine
Idris alDin wrote:
Confirming PL join fights for jewlewts.

Confirming PL is 1%

Also confirming pubbie scrubs are mad.



Indeed some are pretty mad.
And I say they would be better off getting even.

And the best kind of "even" 99% of New Eden's population can hope for is stealing a PLEX out from under the noses of the grand PL+allies fleet and getting away with it.

Anyone achieving this is winning at Eve in my book.

The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom

Jack bubu
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#43 - 2011-12-10 11:44:42 UTC
Jade Constantine wrote:
Embrace My Hate wrote:
Jade Constantine wrote:
Perhaps the ironic thing here is that for anyone that remembers the original CCP events team - events (back when Eve was only 10k 15k online) there were similar complaints that the same people were always getting the loot from the events because they made it their business to lurk in the events channels and would quickly relocate to where all the shinies were. But ultimately, it was players flying pimped ships doing the intel work up that put them in the right time and place.

I can tell you from experience though that little guys do sometimes get lucky. Old corp mate of mine managed to snag one of the only Opus Luxury yachts in existence from an event to celebrate the launch of quafe ultra and that was just a matter of being in the right place at the right time and swooping in for the loot.

I do understand its dispiriting to see these CCP fleets that *always* seem to be harvested by PL and their 0.0 allies and it looks fishy - but you need to look past that really as a simple reality of the server at the moment. PL is the Eve aristocracy and when something shiny appears they will come down with their golden chariots and hunt with ivory bows like the kings and queens of old. Thats just fact and the outcome of multiple years of unchallenged moon income etc and static 0.0 napfest. There isn't much anyone can do about *that*.

But what you can do is get into a cheap clone, prep a lootstealing cloaky vessel (bomber will do nicely) and listen to the same rumours PL do. Put PL fleet commanders and personalities in your location agents. Listen to the news, inflitrate pirate intel channels. Travel fast to the site of battles and prepare to steal the loots from under PL noses with a ship that costs less than then ammo they are using.

Ordinary capsuleers (you and me) are the rats in the wainscotting of this dystopian world. The huge alliances have no respect for individuality and seek only conformity and slavish obedience from their drones. We individuals are beneath their notice and that gives us an opportunity to thieve and steal and sabotage from under the gaze of these space-kings and jealous tyrants.

Rather than whining on the forums that things are not fair (nothing is fair) go prep your loot stealing vessels and swap to a cheap clone. Swarm these engagements and steal plex and bpcs out from the grasping fingers of the aristrocracy and toast your larcenary from the shrouding darkness of the cloak while the gods of eve lament the presence of insects to steal their prizes.

But understand this. To PL and their 0.0 nap allies you are nothing. You will never be respected or accepted or dealt a fair hand. Eve is a cruel and unkind universe. So learn the arts and techniques you need to survive and prosper despite the reign of burnished tyrants that rule these stars from their immortal moon-goo empires.

Your victory little loot ninja is your continued existence and drawing breath on the morrow.

And for that I at least salute you and call you my comrade at arms.


PL/TEST were never there for the loot. We go where the fights are end of story. It is also well known that we operate with an NBSI policy just like most 0.0 alliances. It has nothing to do with lack of respect for any other player in the game it is simply PvP. Thinking otherwise is just selfish.


Why is it selfish to consider you members of a distant uncaring aristrocracy that have no care or concern for the rats in the wainscotting of Eve? I see that outlook as pure surivival mechanism and a function of wising up to the way things are. If PL/TEST is not there for the loot (true or not) it makes no difference to the dynamic I espouse. Anyone whining about these matters would be best advised to take a minor risk (clone+cheap bomber) and go loot thieving and steal from the divine immortals of the 0.0 napfests to demonstrate their independence to the server at large.

Your leaders think only in terms of 100s and 1000s of followers. To them we individuals are nothing. Beneath contempt or notice. So be it, I merely say use that dynamic to urge the pathetic individuals of eve to steal from the god-kings and chariot-warriors of 0.0 and laugh at the ranks of power.

Why dont you run another tournament agains garmon about it?
Idris alDin
Perkone
Caldari State
#44 - 2011-12-10 11:47:32 UTC
Jack bubu wrote:
Jade Constantine wrote:
Embrace My Hate wrote:
Jade Constantine wrote:
Perhaps the ironic thing here is that for anyone that remembers the original CCP events team - events (back when Eve was only 10k 15k online) there were similar complaints that the same people were always getting the loot from the events because they made it their business to lurk in the events channels and would quickly relocate to where all the shinies were. But ultimately, it was players flying pimped ships doing the intel work up that put them in the right time and place.

I can tell you from experience though that little guys do sometimes get lucky. Old corp mate of mine managed to snag one of the only Opus Luxury yachts in existence from an event to celebrate the launch of quafe ultra and that was just a matter of being in the right place at the right time and swooping in for the loot.

I do understand its dispiriting to see these CCP fleets that *always* seem to be harvested by PL and their 0.0 allies and it looks fishy - but you need to look past that really as a simple reality of the server at the moment. PL is the Eve aristocracy and when something shiny appears they will come down with their golden chariots and hunt with ivory bows like the kings and queens of old. Thats just fact and the outcome of multiple years of unchallenged moon income etc and static 0.0 napfest. There isn't much anyone can do about *that*.

But what you can do is get into a cheap clone, prep a lootstealing cloaky vessel (bomber will do nicely) and listen to the same rumours PL do. Put PL fleet commanders and personalities in your location agents. Listen to the news, inflitrate pirate intel channels. Travel fast to the site of battles and prepare to steal the loots from under PL noses with a ship that costs less than then ammo they are using.

Ordinary capsuleers (you and me) are the rats in the wainscotting of this dystopian world. The huge alliances have no respect for individuality and seek only conformity and slavish obedience from their drones. We individuals are beneath their notice and that gives us an opportunity to thieve and steal and sabotage from under the gaze of these space-kings and jealous tyrants.

Rather than whining on the forums that things are not fair (nothing is fair) go prep your loot stealing vessels and swap to a cheap clone. Swarm these engagements and steal plex and bpcs out from the grasping fingers of the aristrocracy and toast your larcenary from the shrouding darkness of the cloak while the gods of eve lament the presence of insects to steal their prizes.

But understand this. To PL and their 0.0 nap allies you are nothing. You will never be respected or accepted or dealt a fair hand. Eve is a cruel and unkind universe. So learn the arts and techniques you need to survive and prosper despite the reign of burnished tyrants that rule these stars from their immortal moon-goo empires.

Your victory little loot ninja is your continued existence and drawing breath on the morrow.

And for that I at least salute you and call you my comrade at arms.


PL/TEST were never there for the loot. We go where the fights are end of story. It is also well known that we operate with an NBSI policy just like most 0.0 alliances. It has nothing to do with lack of respect for any other player in the game it is simply PvP. Thinking otherwise is just selfish.


Why is it selfish to consider you members of a distant uncaring aristrocracy that have no care or concern for the rats in the wainscotting of Eve? I see that outlook as pure surivival mechanism and a function of wising up to the way things are. If PL/TEST is not there for the loot (true or not) it makes no difference to the dynamic I espouse. Anyone whining about these matters would be best advised to take a minor risk (clone+cheap bomber) and go loot thieving and steal from the divine immortals of the 0.0 napfests to demonstrate their independence to the server at large.

Your leaders think only in terms of 100s and 1000s of followers. To them we individuals are nothing. Beneath contempt or notice. So be it, I merely say use that dynamic to urge the pathetic individuals of eve to steal from the god-kings and chariot-warriors of 0.0 and laugh at the ranks of power.

Why dont you run another tournament agains garmon about it?


Can someone please link the old forum posts on this subject and its outcome? I can't seem to find it anywhere Sad
Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
#45 - 2011-12-10 11:52:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Jade Constantine
I do hope I haven't struck a nerve and upset/offended people anyone from PL IRL by calling them "space-tyrants". That really wasn't my intention. I'm sure behind the monitor they are all well-adjusted liberal intellectuals who care about saving the whales and recycling their newspapers Cool

The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom

I am Infinity
Respawn Disabled
#46 - 2011-12-10 12:10:04 UTC
CCP Navigator wrote:
Jack Traynor wrote:
Just another in-game thing meant for the big boys. Nothing to see here, move along.


This statement is so untrue that I feel bad even answering it.

Here is the deal, the fleet is moving over the next few days and you are ALL welcome to engage. It is not for the big boys or the small boys or the medium boys: it is for everyone.

I am really sorry that you cannot organize a fleet or join one who that is effective against us. Be a leader and make EVE what you want it to be.


I'm a pubbie scrub and the event was for me. Second time in null, and travelling to 7Y was itself an exhilarating adventure, through countless camps and abandoned battlefields swarmed with wrecks.

Saw CCP pwn a fleet, watching all those battleships go at each other was really cool.

Couldn't care less about the loots, ISK is abundant in EVE, just grab yours anyway you prefer and stop whining. All I wanted was to be there, and I was.

Botleten
Perkone
Caldari State
#47 - 2011-12-10 12:15:06 UTC
"They didnt come to my system and I was too lazy to go track them down so I'm gonna pout about it! Boo Hoo Hoo!!!"
Decaneos
Casalt Corp
CAStabouts
#48 - 2011-12-10 12:23:55 UTC
CCP Navigator wrote:
Jack Traynor wrote:
Just another in-game thing meant for the big boys. Nothing to see here, move along.


This statement is so untrue that I feel bad even answering it.

Here is the deal, the fleet is moving over the next few days and you are ALL welcome to engage. It is not for the big boys or the small boys or the medium boys: it is for everyone.

I am really sorry that you cannot organize a fleet or join one who that is effective against us. Be a leader and make EVE what you want it to be.



the simple truth is we know that even if we tryed that the big allences would blob any meaning full fleet before it got anywere near you.
Lexmana
#49 - 2011-12-10 12:29:12 UTC
decaneos wrote:
the simple truth is we know that even if we tryed that the big allences would blob any meaning full fleet before it got anywere near you.


So why even try, right?
Whining is so much better.
Lors Dornick
Kallisti Industries
#50 - 2011-12-10 12:31:14 UTC
I am Infinity wrote:


I'm a pubbie scrub and the event was for me. Second time in null, and travelling to 7Y was itself an exhilarating adventure, through countless camps and abandoned battlefields swarmed with wrecks.

Saw CCP pwn a fleet, watching all those battleships go at each other was really cool.

Couldn't care less about the loots, ISK is abundant in EVE, just grab yours anyway you prefer and stop whining. All I wanted was to be there, and I was.


This exactly.

CCP Greyscale: As to starbases, we agree it's pretty terrible, but we don't want to delay the entire release just for this one factor.

Darek Castigatus
Immortalis Inc.
Shadow Cartel
#51 - 2011-12-10 12:53:43 UTC
decaneos wrote:
CCP Navigator wrote:
Jack Traynor wrote:
Just another in-game thing meant for the big boys. Nothing to see here, move along.


This statement is so untrue that I feel bad even answering it.

Here is the deal, the fleet is moving over the next few days and you are ALL welcome to engage. It is not for the big boys or the small boys or the medium boys: it is for everyone.

I am really sorry that you cannot organize a fleet or join one who that is effective against us. Be a leader and make EVE what you want it to be.



the simple truth is we know that even if we tryed that the big allences would blob any meaning full fleet before it got anywere near you.



Oh the old 'we might fail so why even try' chestnut, what a load of crap. If you want to be a part of these events you need to be where they happen, its not exactly hard to learn how to travel quickly and safely in nullsec so stop being such a bunch of risk adverse whiners.

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you're welcome

War Kitten
Panda McLegion
#52 - 2011-12-10 13:08:08 UTC
I feel sooo sorry for those that missed out.

You poor little things.

I don't judge people by their race, religion, color, size, age, gender, or ethnicity. I judge them by their grammar, spelling, syntax, punctuation, clarity of expression, and logical consistency.

Tanaka Sekigahara
United Space Marine Corp
#53 - 2011-12-10 13:19:28 UTC
Mistress Lilu wrote:
Sarmatiko wrote:
So you missed first event in Tama and raging right? Or you was scared to show up in low-sec?
I've been there on my sniper Cane, shoot some people and survived not even in fleet.
Stop being a crybaby FFS.

Ohh you are so tuff...that scar makes you look so tuff..
what should i do.lol..its because of scary people like you I do not go to low or null sec..rolf.


Get a haircut.
Raptor217
Nomadic Spacial Bunnies Support Division
#54 - 2011-12-10 13:27:26 UTC
Like PL pilots PVP for isk when they have personal tech moons. Lol
Akrasjel Lanate
Lanate Industries
#55 - 2011-12-10 13:40:52 UTC
CCP Navigator wrote:
Jack Traynor wrote:
Just another in-game thing meant for the big boys. Nothing to see here, move along.


This statement is so untrue that I feel bad even answering it.

Here is the deal, the fleet is moving over the next few days and you are ALL welcome to engage. It is not for the big boys or the small boys or the medium boys: it is for everyone.

I am really sorry that you cannot organize a fleet or join one who that is effective against us. Be a leader and make EVE what you want it to be.


"I was there" this time, as a part of a random live events fleet.

Jade Constantine wrote:

Ordinary capsuleers (you and me) are the rats in the wainscotting of this dystopian world. The huge alliances have no respect for individuality and seek only conformity and slavish obedience from their drones. We individuals are beneath their notice and that gives us an opportunity to thieve and steal and sabotage from under the gaze of these space-kings and jealous tyrants.


You "ordinary" Lol


Lors Dornick wrote:
I am Infinity wrote:


I'm a pubbie scrub and the event was for me. Second time in null, and travelling to 7Y was itself an exhilarating adventure, through countless camps and abandoned battlefields swarmed with wrecks.

Saw CCP pwn a fleet, watching all those battleships go at each other was really cool.

Couldn't care less about the loots, ISK is abundant in EVE, just grab yours anyway you prefer and stop whining. All I wanted was to be there, and I was.


This exactly.

Yea, thats the spirit.

CEO of Lanate Industries

Citizen of Solitude

Nopsa
Lithium Flower.
#56 - 2011-12-10 13:44:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Nopsa
Given PL and the organized aliances have the best intel network (even inside CCP?), its no wonder they get to the sites very early and can keep other competitors away by their superior fleet.

So this is mostly just free stuff for those big alliances, though I hope CCP is not feeding em on purpose to keep em playing as not many other ppl will engage em as they always have their super blob just 1 cyno away and fighting them is just stupid if you want good fights.
Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises
Otherworld Empire
#57 - 2011-12-10 13:49:58 UTC
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Beaches
Doomheim
#58 - 2011-12-10 13:55:45 UTC
I couldn't care less about the rewards, maybe if the event was in Amarr, I might undock and try to scoop something. I do care that CCP is hopelessly beholden to 0.0 power blocks. Not only because of inherent bias, through the fact that their CSM is all goons, but because the majority of their alts are deeply involved in these 0.0 alliances. This large reward to certain 0.0 entities amounting to a mini , extralegal T20 incident, dev corruption and interference with the sandbox.
yumike
Doomheim
#59 - 2011-12-10 14:07:16 UTC
So much ignorance in a single thread.

All the big entities get involved because they want to be involved and can easily put a fleet together for it, A cyno or two later they are on grid engaging the enemy.

Any player can be there if they decide to undock, just as they can.

Sure the biggest fleet will probably hold the field at the end, But welcome to the same complaint since '03.
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai
#60 - 2011-12-10 14:12:16 UTC
Beaches wrote:
I couldn't care less about the rewards, maybe if the event was in Amarr, I might undock and try to scoop something. I do care that CCP is hopelessly beholden to 0.0 power blocks. Not only because of inherent bias, through the fact that their CSM is all goons, but because the majority of their alts are deeply involved in these 0.0 alliances. This large reward to certain 0.0 entities amounting to a mini , extralegal T20 incident, dev corruption and interference with the sandbox.


Don't be dramatic, it's just CCP being friends to their friends (insert shrug).

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