Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Can items that are manufactured be flagged as not being reprocessable? Hopefully...

Please add Rookie Ship BPO's to the game, or make the BPC's available on the cheap from Pend Insurance LP stores.

Edit 3 ::tl;dr of the thread: Yes, Rookie Ship's are available for free when you dock up in stations. This should not be removed, as it functions as a critical element to the game. However, Rookie Ships are the only non-limited-edition ships without a BPO or BPC available for them, and I would like to see this changed.

They won't make anyone any ISK as a manufacturing commodity, and they won't gain any prominent use in fleets or doctrines outside of joke-styled fleets (and cyno ships), but this isn't the purpose of giving them BP's. The purpose is to make them easier to acquire in bulk for those who want them, and to bring them in line with every other non-special-reward ship in the game.

The purpose of making the BP available in-game is purely for fun, from beginning to end. To claim otherwise is to misrepresent the idea.

One of the big reasons that I would like to see the Rookie Ship BP's made available in the game is because, if you want a different Rookie Ship than your race's ship, your only option is to use an alt, or purchase one from the market. For the vast majority of people (non-manufacturers), this would not change. For those who wish to do so, however, other options would become available if the BP were available. End tl;dr edit.

I would also like to point out that every character has one manufacturing slot available to them, even if they've never trained any manufacturing skills. Just because Rookie Ships may not be an item big-time manufacturers will put to use, non-manufacturers who want to get their hands on a number of them could acquire a BPC of them to mass-produce them without much difficulty.

Because of the type of ship it is, and that it can be obtained for free, I cannot expect that it would cost very much to produce, meaning the materials reduction would (or should) be a non-issue. Time reducers would be a bigger deal, but only in regards to the per-time-based fee of manufacturing. A non-manufacturer who wanted to acquire a number of the ships theoretically wouldn't care very much if the runs they're doing take a day longer than that of a high-skilled manufacturer.

Edit :: They're fun little ships, but much too underutilized. I blame this on them being a bit of a pain in the chutzpah to acquire. So, yes, please, Rookie Ship BPO's or inventable BPC's? End Edit

Edit 2 :: I acknowledge that invention would be silly, considering the cost of data cores, but having BPO's would still be nice. To those saying that nobody would ever manufacture them, the same was said when CCP made them available on the market. Jita and Amarr tell a different story, however (please note that this is copy / pasted from my response to Owen, below):

Please note that I'll be removing outliers over 1m ISK, but will be leaving the 0.01 ISK:

Jita

Velator: Total Purchased: 50,219. Avg. Price: 13,542.63. Outliers Remove: 3 (ranging from 7m to 39m)
Impairor: Total Purchased: 37,978. Avg. Price: 9,538.79. Outliers Removed: 6 (ranging from 1m to 1.2b [*1]).
Ibis: Total Purchased: 173,468 [*2]. Avg. Price: 6,897.26. Outliers Removed: 0.
Reaper: Total purchased: 26,893. Avg. Price: 12,529.58. Outliers Removed: 3 (ranging from 1m to 4.2m).

Amarr

Velator: Total purchased: 12,688. Avg. Price: 10,252.33. Outliers Removed: 1 (priced at 85m).
Impairor: Total purchased: 52,928. Avg. Price: 12,305.31. Outliers Removed: 10 (ranging from 1.5m to 620m).
Ibis: Total Purchased: 14,494. Avg. Price: 13,174.39. Outliers Removed: 2 (ranging from 12m to 130m).
Reaper: Total purchased: 7,289. Avg. Price: 15,570.43. Outliers Removed: 4 (ranging from 1.2m to 73m)

[*1] No, the 1.2b isn't a mistake. An Impairor was purchased for 1.18b on 2014.06.01. Another for 1.1b on 2014.07.27.
[*2] I'm assuming this is because it's Jita, and a lot (most?) station-traders are Caldari. They don't need a ship, so when they log in, they sell their Rookie Ship to the highest order. If you only log in once a day, with the above average, 365 Rookie Ships will net you an extra 2.5m ISK. While that isn't a lot, it's still something.

As stated a rookie ship is super easy to acquire. They aren't underutilized because they're hard to get, they're just useless in most circumstances. Rookie ships are for new players just learning how to play the game, and for players who have just gotten blown up and need a quick hull.

Yes this will end on this - produce large amount cheep rookie ships, and T1 expanders.

1. You can get new rookie ships for free, no one would ever manufacture them, except for free, but then again see to the beginning of this sentence.

2. No one sane would spend ISK and valuable datacores on something they can get for free, see above.

If you're trolling, good one, you got me.

Troll post or ... well, reasoning is flawed. If you take the over one bil scam/laundry buys even as consideration for your market evalutation then you got mental issues.

How adding BPOs for free ships will support making profit from manufacturing them and not flooding the market into nothingness is another logic black hole.

Good Job, though, I'll link it to the righ thread.

Strawmen ... my observation still stands.

*Sigh*


THIS IS THE STRAWMAN ! ! !


This is a terrible argument, can hardly consider it one. "Well, if its better then useless crap, it must be good ! "

The rest is absolutely meaningless, includes the Hume's Guillotine and delivers nothing.

I am not attacking you, I am attacking your reasoning, your observation and your conclusions, thereby your arguments. If that reflcts back on you in a bad way, it does so due to what you said, not what I noticed. If you rather like to feel hurt and ignore what has been said to pretend there is still something to discuss, fine, play your game alone. The King has fallen.

BPO's would make doing rookie ship fleets much easier. One could purchase a boatload of them in Jita and then ship them (with fittings) to wherever the "LOL OP" is going to happen.

K, I answer one more time ....

Since you already braught the same apple and oranges comparison to an unrelated argument a third time, I stand corrected with part of my assumption concerning your reasoning abilities, especially since I pointed it out twice already and you are still using it.

So here we go again- A commodity which can be limitless replicated can not be compared with a commodity which drops once in a while in regards to it's production capabilities or market profits when limitlesness and rarity are the foundation the argument (its necessity to be producable by a player through another limited and costly feature) is built upon and then state they are the same.
If crystals would be replicatable limitless in the same fashion, then it could be a valid argument. - It is not even remotely.

Not even sure how you can compare an infinite free resource with one that has to be produced with effort and costs or found through effort.

Not to mention that losing a crystal only when the ship is destroyed or it is being reprocessed is in no way different the a rookie frig being destroyed or reprocessed. To say they are different in this regard is mental btw. And yes, you assumed rookie frigs are meant to be destroyed, while crystals are meant to last forever unless you make mistakes or choose to.

Stupidity knows no bounds.