EVE General Discussion

So it seems that Burner missions have failed to live up to people hopes of getting people into PvP.

The requirements in terms of DPS, and even fitting seems to heavy as to be only really worth it for people who fly pirate ships.

So what did people expect/want from Burner missions that the present form doesn't deliver?

Same as always: All the things, with little :effort:

CCP should make a mechanic where any player may candidate himself to be one of the burners. And present himself in a dramiel, daredevil etc.. then when a burner mission is given to a player nearby the mission will send both to fight each other without concord intervention.

THAT would make it.

One of the guys I fly with, a somewhat newer toon than mine, just beat one with a Merlin about a half hour ago. I wasn't paying a heck of a lot of attention cuz I was busy theorycrafting some fits but I'm not buying that they're as hard as some of EVE's players are claiming they are, and I'm starting to think the complaints about burners are more related to "I WANT EASYMODE AND ALL THE THINGS!!!"

I will know more for sure when I try one myself. I'm not in any hurry though, I prefer PVP. That I need to get back into soon.

Who says they failed? You do, 2 days in? A few forum trolls? Lol.

Fact is, they are an interesting addition to high sec, and for that I applaud CCP. They are difficult to fight solo, but easy with a friend. And THAT is their primary function - not to get people to do PvP - but to get them to team up and cooperate.

And CCP should do more of these 'co-operative' missions/quests. Many more.

Who says they failed? Who said they were for getting people into PVP? I really didn't follow them closely before they came out so I don't recall anyone stating their purpose. I think I remember something from CCP saying they'd use a smarter AI and would use EWAR and could require some PVP type fitting to counter. But that's about it.

I do know that there is a perception that all challenging gameplay is player generated and PvE is just ISK grinding. I thought the burner missions were an attempt to add some challenging and engaging gameplay to the developer provided content. Seem to me that players have been asking for that kind of thing. Maybe some players are in hindsight not so happy now that they are being forced to confront the fact that they suck. But I am sure there are thousands of players out there getting a kick out of trying to beat these things and not griefing the forums.

So where are you getting your opinion that they are PVP training and that they failed?

Can't say I wanted anything from burner missions.

I didn't even want them - not in the sense of not wanting them when the idea came out, but when the idea came out, I found I was never wanting anything like that in the first place.

Was there an F&I thread I missed or is that forum not being used?

When the idea came out it felt like an indication that 1v1 PVP has truly died if CCP feels compelled to emulate it through missions. if they wanted to emulate 1v1 PVP then the burner mission should have a RR NPC domi drop in when the rat is at 50 percent structure and have the NPC instalock and pod you if you lose your ship. Instalock via OGB of course.

Maybe a challenge. And hopefully the groundwork for more challenging challenges.

ITT: people who are mad about people who are mad about burner missions.

such mad

There has been a commonly expressed thought here that PvE should be harder and closer to the PvP experience.

But I'm not sure that the forum had any effect on CCPs decision. Probably a way for them to attempt to bridge the gap and give PvE players a more PvP-like experience.

But, there will always be people happy with a feature and people unhappy with a feature. Complaining is going to happen no matter what CCP do.