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Are SOMER Blink clone sites okay with CCP?

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IIshira
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#1 - 2014-08-28 20:11:06 UTC
I've noticed a few new spam alts posting SOMER Blink clone sites in local since the original SOMER Blink was shut down.


I just want to know if they can be reported or does CCP allow these. If it's perfectly fine with CCP I don't want to waste anyone's time with a support ticket.


Before anyone can derail this thread I'm not asking if this if this is morally okay or hurting the game or anything like that.
Analeesa
Perkone
Caldari State
#2 - 2014-08-28 20:16:15 UTC
IIshira wrote:
I've noticed a few new spam alts posting SOMER Blink clone sites in local since the original SOMER Blink was shut down.


I just want to know if they can be reported or does CCP allow these. If it's perfectly fine with CCP I don't want to waste anyone's time with a support ticket.


Before anyone can derail this thread I'm not asking if this if this is morally okay or hurting the game or anything like that.



As long as no RMT is happening it's fine.
Destination SkillQueue
Doomheim
#3 - 2014-08-28 20:16:57 UTC
Rule of thumb: If you want to know what CCP thinks of an issue, you make a petition. If you want players to talk about an issue, you post about it on the forums.
Dinsdale Pirannha
Pirannha Corp
#4 - 2014-08-28 21:01:28 UTC
IIshira wrote:
I've noticed a few new spam alts posting SOMER Blink clone sites in local since the original SOMER Blink was shut down.


I just want to know if they can be reported or does CCP allow these. If it's perfectly fine with CCP I don't want to waste anyone's time with a support ticket.


Before anyone can derail this thread I'm not asking if this if this is morally okay or hurting the game or anything like that.


You can bank on some group filling the gap left with Somer Blink out of business.
Multiple other gambling sites already exist, and I am sure most plex buyers are already using other reseller sites.

So yeah, someone combining the 2 concepts again is inevitable.
Jax Kazen
Doomheim
#5 - 2014-08-28 21:19:36 UTC
The gambling aspect of these sites (or Blink for that matter) is not a violation of anything.

Where Somer got into trouble was offering ISK incentives for purchases of PLEX. So for example, when Somer said "we will give you 1B additional ISK when you spend $19.99 to by a PLEX" - that is RMTing as it is essentially giving ISK (above and beyond the PLEX market price) for real money.

The site itself or EVE gambling in general is not an issue.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#6 - 2014-08-28 22:03:49 UTC
IIshira wrote:
I've noticed a few new spam alts posting SOMER Blink clone sites in local since the original SOMER Blink was shut down.
In what way are they Somer clones?
IIshira
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#7 - 2014-08-28 22:36:33 UTC
Tippia wrote:
IIshira wrote:
I've noticed a few new spam alts posting SOMER Blink clone sites in local since the original SOMER Blink was shut down.
In what way are they Somer clones?

I didn't pay ISK but the one I looked at had multiple choice and you picked the right one you win. The prize was ISK not a ship though.

Yeah I thought about putting in a petition but I didn't want to put one in if it was invalid. Honestly I'm not against or for the whole thing so it's not a big deal. I was more curious than anything.
Falin Whalen
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#8 - 2014-08-29 00:33:15 UTC
IIshira wrote:
Tippia wrote:
IIshira wrote:
I've noticed a few new spam alts posting SOMER Blink clone sites in local since the original SOMER Blink was shut down.
In what way are they Somer clones?

I didn't pay ISK but the one I looked at had multiple choice and you picked the right one you win. The prize was ISK not a ship though.

Yeah I thought about putting in a petition but I didn't want to put one in if it was invalid. Honestly I'm not against or for the whole thing so it's not a big deal. I was more curious than anything.

Sounds like a scam or a bonus room wannabe.

As long as the site doesn't give ANY reward or bonus for choosing a particular GTC seller, they are good. It's when they do that (first Somer RMT fiasco,) or offer to buy back the PLEX for "slightly" above Jita rates (latest Somer RMT fiasco,) that things turn into RMT.

"it's only because of their stupidity that they're able to be so sure of themselves." The Trial - Franz Kafka 
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#9 - 2014-08-29 02:21:42 UTC
IIshira wrote:
Tippia wrote:
IIshira wrote:
I've noticed a few new spam alts posting SOMER Blink clone sites in local since the original SOMER Blink was shut down.
In what way are they Somer clones?

I didn't pay ISK but the one I looked at had multiple choice and you picked the right one you win. The prize was ISK not a ship though.

Yeah I thought about putting in a petition but I didn't want to put one in if it was invalid. Honestly I'm not against or for the whole thing so it's not a big deal. I was more curious than anything.


I think Somer initially had a rule about not being able to withdraw ISK to avoid potential use as an ISK laundering service for RMTers [:irony:], but I can't remember if that was CCP mandated or just something they did because they felt like it (or to allow them to give bonuses for rolling your winnings back in).

EOH Poker doesn't seem to have any problem with it, though.

Other than that, what you're describing sounds fine. CCP didn't close down Blink, and Somer never got in trouble for the in-game business model of Blink.

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#10 - 2014-08-29 03:48:43 UTC
RubyPorto wrote:
CCP didn't close down Blink, and Somer never got in trouble for the in-game business model of Blink.

People seem to keep forgetting these crucial details.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#11 - 2014-08-29 03:54:00 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
RubyPorto wrote:
CCP didn't close down Blink, and Somer never got in trouble for the in-game business model of Blink.

People seem to keep forgetting these crucial details.


Why let facts interfere with telling a good story?

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
#12 - 2014-08-29 06:16:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Mr Epeen
IIshira wrote:
I just want to know if they can be reported or does CCP allow these.
CCP has always been fine with idiots that like to throw their ISK away.

Whether it's a gambling site or an ISK doubler doesn't matter to them. As long as morons keep buying PLEX to fund their pathetic delusions of getting rich quick, CCP will happily keep selling those PLEXes to them.

Mr Epeen Cool
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#13 - 2014-08-29 06:24:22 UTC
Except CCP isn't selling ISK.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
#14 - 2014-08-29 06:27:20 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Except CCP isn't selling ISK.


I didn't quite edit fast enough once I realized I was setting myself up for one of the forum pedants to jump on that.

Now fixed.

Mr Epeen Cool
IIshira
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#15 - 2014-08-29 07:55:21 UTC
RubyPorto wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
RubyPorto wrote:
CCP didn't close down Blink, and Somer never got in trouble for the in-game business model of Blink.

People seem to keep forgetting these crucial details.


Why let facts interfere with telling a good story?


Yea lets not...

Obviously CCP didn't close down SOMER Blink because it's not their website but we're splitting hairs here.

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=367505

CCP Falcon wrote:
After careful consideration and consultation with CSM9, who have displayed an outstanding level of support in assisting with this issue, CCP has taken the decision to permanently ban the founder of SOMER Blink from EVE Online across all accounts, with immediate effect. This is due to multiple violations of our EULA and Terms of Service.

Following the promotion, CCP no longer regards SOMER Blink as a fair or legitimate service within the EVE Community. We are unable to provide reimbursements as per section 1.3 of our reimbursement policy, so it’s good to see that SOMER Blink is shutting down in a controlled and stable manner, and that players will be able to withdraw their ISK and / or assets.
ISD Ezwal
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#16 - 2014-08-29 16:09:35 UTC
I have removed a rule breaking post and those quoting it.

The Rules:
21. Posting regarding RMT (Real Money Trading) is prohibited.

Posts discussing, linking to, or advertising RMT, including but not limited to the sale of in game items, assets, currency, characters or game accounts for real life money are strictly prohibited.

ISD Ezwal Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs)
Faenir Antollare
For Ever And Ever
#17 - 2014-08-29 20:14:07 UTC
Destination SkillQueue wrote:
Rule of thumb: If you want to know what CCP thinks of an issue, you make a petition. If you want players to talk about an issue, you post about it on the forums.



+1

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Prince Kobol
#18 - 2014-08-29 20:23:45 UTC
Regardless of how you feel about Somer, his website was a thing of beauty.

He made billions if not trillions of isk out it. Its amazing success is what ultimately lead to his downfall.

He had so much isk that instead of putting to some use like funding his own private army or what ever, he instead chose to try and turn into RL money.

He got banned.
Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
#19 - 2014-08-29 22:14:37 UTC
IIshira wrote:

Yea lets not...

Obviously CCP didn't close down SOMER Blink because it's not their website but we're splitting hairs here.

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=367505

And the confirmed reasons for the ban were because he broke the EULA & ToS regarding posting of private communications including business E-mails. Again nothing to do with the website.
Though they never confirmed or denied if RMT was also involved, but the RMT was related to plex incentives, not the gambling isk for items.
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#20 - 2014-08-30 00:15:49 UTC  |  Edited by: RubyPorto
IIshira wrote:
Obviously CCP didn't close down SOMER Blink because it's not their website but we're splitting hairs here.

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=367505


Somer turned Blink off well before that was posted, and has never (to my knowledge) claimed that CCP asked him to stop running his site.

He was banned for [list of confirmed and suspected reasons] and his subordinates could have continued providing the perfectly legal service that they'd been providing for years.

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon