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Sentry Drone Tracking Speed Reduction - will this help

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Anthar Thebess
#1 - 2014-08-28 08:10:09 UTC
So CCP nerfed isthar , but many people state that this change is to small for PVP , other group of people states that it is bad as it is impacting their PVE.
Many people states that sentry drone doctrines are unbalanced because of the sentry drones.

Why not making a bit different approach :
- half current tracking for all sentry drones or maybe even make it 1/3
- increase range of some sentry drones to compensate for this , eg: Garde
- modify at the same time rat AI or their stats to compensate the PVE part of the sentry drone changes.

From my perspective it is better to make ratting a bit easier to all when we get more balance to sentry drones.

They are LARGE weapon system, so after those changes will be like any other PVP LARGE weapon system.
Capable of hitting large , slow targets , stationary objects and ships approaching them in straight line.

Question is will this change be viable?
After this change Isthars can even get their old stats back.

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Sentamon
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#2 - 2014-08-28 08:16:32 UTC
probably would help just to stick to the original thread

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Anthar Thebess
#3 - 2014-08-28 08:41:21 UTC
Well i hope for a discussion, about changes to sentry drones.
Ishtar is not only ship that abused this weapon system.

Remember that Sentry are similar to Large guns , yet they can be used by cruiser class ship, and capital ship at the same time.
Both of them get bonus to this weapon system.

Yes drones are not guns , but again most of the people agree that sentry drone are serious issue.

We cannot hope for fast fix of sov, cyno but i think that just reducing tracking speed of all sentry drones will mostly solve at least this issue, especially that their stats sit in the database , so we are not talking about rewriting tons of code, checking also what just stopped to work , but we have just simple and fast database value adjustment that will help people a lot.

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Sentamon
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#4 - 2014-08-28 09:12:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Sentamon
No ... you''ll completely ruin the ship.

Its a hull that gives you a chance in PvP with your PvE setup, every ship should be modified in this direction, not the other way around.

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Xercodo
Cruor Angelicus
#5 - 2014-08-28 10:24:23 UTC
Guys, we need sized sentries, we need small and and medium sentries so that ships like the gila, vexor, myrm, Eos, navy vexor, ishtar, prophecy, arbitrator, pilgrim and curse can all have medium drone specific bonuses.

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Anthar Thebess
#6 - 2014-08-28 10:32:54 UTC
Tbh i think that we don't need sentry drones.
Guns do instant damage.
Drones fly to the target.

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Athryn Bellee
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#7 - 2014-08-28 11:41:09 UTC
Anthar Thebess wrote:
Tbh i think that we don't need sentry drones.
Guns do instant damage.
Drones fly to the target.



Missiles have to fly to the target also.
Anthar Thebess
#8 - 2014-08-28 11:48:49 UTC
Athryn Bellee wrote:
Anthar Thebess wrote:
Tbh i think that we don't need sentry drones.
Guns do instant damage.
Drones fly to the target.



Missiles have to fly to the target also.


Yes,and ?
I see big difference: missiles <-> drones.

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Caviar Liberta
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#9 - 2014-08-28 11:55:50 UTC
Anthar Thebess wrote:
Athryn Bellee wrote:
Anthar Thebess wrote:
Tbh i think that we don't need sentry drones.
Guns do instant damage.
Drones fly to the target.



Missiles have to fly to the target also.


Yes,and ?
I see big difference: missiles <-> drones.



RIght, missiles can't be removed by shooting them. Unless smart bombing can do that to a missile.
Lugia3
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#10 - 2014-08-28 12:01:44 UTC
This will do nothing except make it so nobody uses sentries outside of pos bashes.

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Doctor Knuckles
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#11 - 2014-08-28 13:13:45 UTC
Caviar Liberta wrote:


Unless smart bombing can do that to a missile.


pretty sure it can, or could at some point, actually!
Jarod Garamonde
Jolly Codgers
Get Off My Lawn
#12 - 2014-08-28 13:33:00 UTC
Who the hell uses an Ishtar for PvE?

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Anthar Thebess
#13 - 2014-08-28 13:37:04 UTC
Jarod Garamonde wrote:
Who the hell uses an Ishtar for PvE?

Actually many people, but this is not about isthars itself, but about sentry drones.

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Duran Veldspur
First Imperial Caldari Bank
#14 - 2014-08-28 13:44:12 UTC
Anthar Thebess wrote:
So CCP nerfed isthar , but many people state that this change is to small for PVP , other group of people states that it is bad as it is impacting their PVE.
Many people states that sentry drone doctrines are unbalanced because of the sentry drones.

Why not making a bit different approach :
- half current tracking for all sentry drones or maybe even make it 1/3
- increase range of some sentry drones to compensate for this , eg: Garde
- modify at the same time rat AI or their stats to compensate the PVE part of the sentry drone changes.

From my perspective it is better to make ratting a bit easier to all when we get more balance to sentry drones.

They are LARGE weapon system, so after those changes will be like any other PVP LARGE weapon system.
Capable of hitting large , slow targets , stationary objects and ships approaching them in straight line.

Question is will this change be viable?
After this change Isthars can even get their old stats back.



You dont know what your talking about, and you would make a horrible dev so please stfu

ccp has learned how to balance things, they dont need your 2001 logic, they realize they make customers happier and pay longer when they buff other systems instead of constantly nerfing everything players come to love. its a problem with all MMO's please keep your stupid solutions off the forums
Misunderstood Genius
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#15 - 2014-08-28 13:45:06 UTC
Honestly. Farming Sanctums from 70km with Warden II's isn't different after this patch. Cool
Zero Sum Gain
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#16 - 2014-08-28 13:47:30 UTC
So you're saying make it more of a sniper because it's 'large'?

About flying to the target: there's heavy drones.
Leoric Firesword
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#17 - 2014-08-28 14:21:48 UTC
no, just no.
ISD Decoy
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#18 - 2014-08-29 08:11:22 UTC
Moved to F&I.

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The Executioners
Capital Punishment.
#19 - 2014-08-29 08:32:25 UTC
ISD Decoy wrote:
Moved to F&I.


Trash can would have been more appropriate.
elitatwo
Zansha Expansion
#20 - 2014-08-29 10:23:02 UTC
Leoric Firesword wrote:
no, just no.


Not empty quoting.

Sentry drones are fine as they are right now and one Ishtar is not a problem, many Ishtars together are.

But that is not the fault of the ship, it's a problem created by people. If our younger audience wasn't so fixed on some statistics on some other websites, we wouldn't have those problems.

Thing is, this perticular audience is so obsessed with some statistics that they do things to uphold some status they can show off to others.

Back in the day the folks were much more interested in real fighting each other, no matter the outcome than today.

When I visited lowsec for the first time in an Osprey for mining some Jaspet, someone in a Brutix came along and locked my ship, then opened a conversation and told me he could have shot me but he didn't because he saw no appeal in shooting a noob.
He gave me some pointers and also told me that not everyone would be like that and he warped off to look for someone else to fight.

Eight years and 3 billion killboards later that would not have happened.

I get the big complaint about Ishtar blobs but serioulsy, one day it zee unstoppable Drake or the Hurricane that cannot be destroyed.

I can shoot down one Ishtar no problem, so can everyone else, so the problem is not the ship, it's the people.

If you cry for nerfs to sentry drones, you are also gimping a few battleships and I have no problem at all with a Dominix fielding sentries with high tracking.

I even wish, the Dominix could have the drone control range of an Ishtar but she does not. So it is up to you to make her get the range.

Nerf people, not the drones!

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