Wormholes

In which case you need an alt on every bubble to listen to activations

- the cloaky isn't a tackler - he just gets a warp in for the inty that is.

[*] If you assume a 30 toon corp is actually just 10 people, all of whom dont' log in at once, then a whole lot of w-space is going to be empty fairly soon apart from PI farming.

I live in a C2 with a small Corporation.

I must say that the changes to WH's hurt our "game" drastically. Actually we are unable to run sites with so many incoming whormholes, we are unable to care about all of them. At the current status the risk <-> reward isn't something worth to talk about.

Same with our static C3. In addition to those nasty new whormholes our ability to roll our static is dramatically reduced. Its just a pain to try roll a wh with so many incoming wh's on both sides. The risk is to high the reward is to low.

Before Hyperion i thought moving into a wh is one and only chance for us to do something "meaningfull" (atleast for us). Joining one the big 0-Blobbers to just be a "number" is just nothing i want to talk about now. Yeah, but with the current wh-mechanics small corps like us wont have a good time in whormholes.

I hope atleast those incoming holes arent there most of the time ..... otherwise it would mean that we are forced out of the hole and what should we do than? Yeah.... not much.

I am pretty upset right now.... not a good patch for me.... ruined my day.

this is what nearly all c3s look like since update:
http://s17.postimg.org/u94fuhrsf/2014_08_27_16_30_27.png

lol I didn't think these were too bad, but the experiences of today and seeing other people's experiences has changed my mind... withholding judgement til I've had more time to see how it works out but given the events of today I'm very less than positive.

Not sure how comparable they are to the statistics of other groups.
We live in a C2.
For those that are interested, here are our WH statistics:

Besides our two statics, we have had an additional 16 in holes in the last 24 hours

Two frigate holes, 6 High Sec holes, the rest were J-space to J-space.

For several hours last night we were getting a new “in” hole every 40-60 min.

In the last 24 hours, we estimate that we had a 4+ hour window were there was no frigate hole (none of our folks were on during that time frame though). The rest of the time there has been a frigate hole.

We did get a kill on a cruiser trying to go out a frigate hole – so the jumpable mass limitations on them does add an interesting new dynamic.

It's fairly easy to tell if this was a good or bad move - just look at WH prices.

That's not necessarily the case, there is both supply and demand. Less people generally in W-space will also lead to lower demand.

That is a very interesting dynamic. I hadn't expected it, but perhaps cloaked ships camping them is a way to turn these troll holes to our advantage?

I agree with this.

All in all, I'm in favour of increasing risk and destroying the old C4 risk-free farming environment. That being said, a large part of the wormhole population consists of small corporations who simply do not have the resources to deal with 5-6 connections at a time, especially considering that these groups have a considerably harder time collapsing holes than the larger corporations.

The main problem with this change is, that control is being replaced with randomness. It does not create compelling game-play and it certainly isn't rewarding. I would have much rather seen changes that bring more players into wormholes to fill all the empty space and increase the chances of random connections connecting active holes. Smaller groups would be able to control 1-3 active holes while keeping the risk-factor in its place, but manageable.

As an example, how do you think corporation A with 20 members, out of which maybe 10 are online, will react when they see 5-6 connections? That's right, they'll log off or POS spin - and you can't even blame them.

In conclusion, we don't need more random holes, we need changes that bring people into wormholes, such as C1/C2 income being completely out of balance when compared to risk-free activities in certain other parts of space. Pushing small corps out of wormholes will only drastically lower the population even further, and that is the last thing we need. I mean, has it ever occurred to anybody that running a C2 site is about as profitable as a L4 mission, in what is probably the highest-risk class? No number of random connections will increase PvP when every lower-class wormhole is empty.

That is also the scenario i was getting at. In w-space, it helps neither hunter nor hunted. It is just a novelty which has no tangible connection with wormhole pvp meta. granted u can scan a route once u get a scout in, but the odds of you getting it are incredibly slim. especially when u factor in changes to rolling and mass-based wh spawning.

Make these k-space only and they might be at the very least mildly entertaining. Although i'm still not convinced they're anything but a futile change with no real insight into how these wh might influence both environments (as in both k & w space).