These forums have been archived and are now read-only.

The new forums are live and can be found at https://forums.eveonline.com/

EVE General Discussion

 
  • Topic is locked indefinitely.
 

War Decs as a griefing tool

First post
Author
Xuixien
Solar Winds Security Solutions
#81 - 2014-08-27 13:35:51 UTC
Valkin Mordirc wrote:
I once tried to teach a friend to play, let him join my corp, and tried to teach him the EVEy ways. He was even worse then somebody telling me I was wrong.


He would go. "HUH?" With loud music and screaming children in the background, "Don't tank shield and Armor?"

I would go, "Yeah, they cancel each other out, Armor is slow, but gets a great buffer and low sig radius, Shield is fast but gets a high radius."


The loud music would respond, "EEEEENNNNNNNTTTTEERR NIIIIIGHHHHHTER, EXXIIIIIIIT LIIIIIGHT"

Me. "What?"


Loud music with a small voice, "Yeah okay"


Next day, he loses a harby to a lvl 3 mission that is dual tanked.


At least he had good taste in music.

Epic Space Cat, Horsegirl, Philanthropist

Lan Wang
Princess Aiko Hold My Hand
Safety. Net
#82 - 2014-08-27 13:36:57 UTC
Valkin Mordirc wrote:
I once tried to teach a friend to play, let him join my corp, and tried to teach him the EVEy ways. He was even worse then somebody telling me I was wrong.


He would go. "HUH?" With loud music and screaming children in the background, "Don't tank shield and Armor?"

I would go, "Yeah, they cancel each other out, Armor is slow, but gets a great buffer and low sig radius, Shield is fast but gets a high radius."


The loud music would respond, "EEEEENNNNNNNTTTTEERR NIIIIIGHHHHHTER, EXXIIIIIIIT LIIIIIGHT"

Me. "What?"


Loud music with a small voice, "Yeah okay"


Next day, he loses a harby to a lvl 3 mission that is dual tanked.


Id like to know your logic on fitting railguns on a tengu

Domination Nephilim - Angel Cartel

Calm down miner. As you pointed out, people think they can get away with stuff they would not in rl... Like for example illegal mining... - Ima Wreckyou*

Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#83 - 2014-08-27 13:38:48 UTC
Lan Wang wrote:
Valkin Mordirc wrote:


Next day, he loses a harby to a lvl 3 mission that is dual tanked.


Id like to know your logic on fitting railguns on a tengu


***Loaded Question Detected***

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann

Valkin Mordirc
#84 - 2014-08-27 13:39:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Valkin Mordirc
Lan Wang wrote:
Valkin Mordirc wrote:
I once tried to teach a friend to play, let him join my corp, and tried to teach him the EVEy ways. He was even worse then somebody telling me I was wrong.


He would go. "HUH?" With loud music and screaming children in the background, "Don't tank shield and Armor?"

I would go, "Yeah, they cancel each other out, Armor is slow, but gets a great buffer and low sig radius, Shield is fast but gets a high radius."


The loud music would respond, "EEEEENNNNNNNTTTTEERR NIIIIIGHHHHHTER, EXXIIIIIIIT LIIIIIGHT"

Me. "What?"


Loud music with a small voice, "Yeah okay"


Next day, he loses a harby to a lvl 3 mission that is dual tanked.


Id like to know your logic on fitting railguns on a tengu



You are SERIOUSLY picking at the bottom of the barrel now aren't you?

EDIT: HOW IS THIS EVEN RELEVANT TO MY POST!? XD
#DeleteTheWeak
Jenni LaCroix
Doomheim
#85 - 2014-08-27 13:42:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Jenni LaCroix
Eve is not really the most social game.
Lan Wang
Princess Aiko Hold My Hand
Safety. Net
#86 - 2014-08-27 13:42:52 UTC
Not really you said you tried to teach a friend just asking what your logic was with picking a tengu and puting rails on it, not a troll just a genuine question

Domination Nephilim - Angel Cartel

Calm down miner. As you pointed out, people think they can get away with stuff they would not in rl... Like for example illegal mining... - Ima Wreckyou*

Agondray
Avenger Mercenaries
VOID Intergalactic Forces
#87 - 2014-08-27 13:48:05 UTC
you should be glade there is a way out of war dec's, it keeps incursion runners nice and safe

"Sarcasm is the Recourse of a weak mind." -Dr. Smith

admiral root
Red Galaxy
#88 - 2014-08-27 13:50:03 UTC
Jenni LaCroix wrote:
Eve is not really the most social game.


LOL

No, your rights end in optimal+2*falloff

Valkin Mordirc
#89 - 2014-08-27 13:52:35 UTC
Lan Wang wrote:
Not really you said you tried to teach a friend just asking what your logic was with picking a tengu and puting rails on it, not a troll just a genuine question


I use a Railgu, mainly because it works best with my skills. Simple as that. If I want to try and insta-lock a ship on undock, have a tank decent enough to survive a minute of hard dps, the Tengu is my best option. With Jav I can cover all of undock, and still have good enough tracking and damage to take out most small ships and indy.


It's not meant for a dual. Railgus are not that bad, even when it comes to solo, you should try them out.
#DeleteTheWeak
Crumplecorn
Eve Cluster Explorations
#90 - 2014-08-27 13:53:23 UTC
Griefing
Griefers
Multiplayer Sandbox
Etc.

Witty Image - Stream

Not Liking this post hurts my RL feelings and will be considered harassment

Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#91 - 2014-08-27 14:00:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
Jenni LaCroix wrote:
Eve is not really the most social game.
lol

It's actually the exact opposite, Eve is a very social game, friends are amongst the most precious resources in Eve, along with trust and tears.

OPs Algos deserved to be put down btw. @ OP NEVER EVER mix gun types and sizes.

In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded.

New Player FAQ

Feyd's Survival Pack

Lan Wang
Princess Aiko Hold My Hand
Safety. Net
#92 - 2014-08-27 14:00:41 UTC
Valkin Mordirc wrote:
Lan Wang wrote:
Not really you said you tried to teach a friend just asking what your logic was with picking a tengu and puting rails on it, not a troll just a genuine question


I use a Railgu, mainly because it works best with my skills. Simple as that. If I want to try and insta-lock a ship on undock, have a tank decent enough to survive a minute of hard dps, the Tengu is my best option. With Jav I can cover all of undock, and still have good enough tracking and damage to take out most small ships and indy.


It's not meant for a dual. Railgus are not that bad, even when it comes to solo, you should try them out.


Yeah i am mostly skilled in hybrids and projectiles id just never think to put them on a tengu only a proteus or a loki with arties

Domination Nephilim - Angel Cartel

Calm down miner. As you pointed out, people think they can get away with stuff they would not in rl... Like for example illegal mining... - Ima Wreckyou*

Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#93 - 2014-08-27 14:01:49 UTC
Valkin Mordirc wrote:
Lan Wang wrote:
Not really you said you tried to teach a friend just asking what your logic was with picking a tengu and puting rails on it, not a troll just a genuine question


I use a Railgu, mainly because it works best with my skills. Simple as that. If I want to try and insta-lock a ship on undock, have a tank decent enough to survive a minute of hard dps, the Tengu is my best option. With Jav I can cover all of undock, and still have good enough tracking and damage to take out most small ships and indy.


It's not meant for a dual. Railgus are not that bad, even when it comes to solo, you should try them out.


I use missiles on Amarr, so I know your feels bro

Other people like to mock what they dont understand

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann

Lan Wang
Princess Aiko Hold My Hand
Safety. Net
#94 - 2014-08-27 14:04:01 UTC
Id dont class asking a question as mocking...ive merely never seen it before nor tried it so excuse my curiosity

Domination Nephilim - Angel Cartel

Calm down miner. As you pointed out, people think they can get away with stuff they would not in rl... Like for example illegal mining... - Ima Wreckyou*

Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#95 - 2014-08-27 14:37:45 UTC
Lan Wang wrote:
Id dont class asking a question as mocking...ive merely never seen it before nor tried it so excuse my curiosity


You didnt ask me a question about my missile armed ships, so I cant have been talking about you

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann

Pok Nibin
Doomheim
#96 - 2014-08-27 14:44:19 UTC
Valkin Mordirc wrote:
You mean this wardec? https://zkillboard.com/war/378511/

Few things I want to drop in here for you, I know Abysmal personally, and I can say your pretty much damning yourself for even more loss when I show them this, along with every other corp that see it as well, including my own.


Firstly, If you cannot defend yourself, you do not deserve to be alive in the first place. Pretty much my own personal philosophy in EVE.

Next, You shouldn't be in a corp, if you are not willing to take the responsibilities that come with it. That means Wardeccers, AWOXers and the like.

Thirdly, Wardeccing is not to grief. Griefing may come out of it, but it's intent to allow combat in Highsec.

Fourth, Don't name your corp with any other the following, "Miner" "LVL 4 Mission" Or anything that refers to PVE and non-combat activities. Those are HUGE keywords for easy kills.

Lastly, Find someone to hire to defend yourself, move to where THEY camp, and do your little mining operations there. Not a lot of people will happily run into Forsaken Asylum home system to kill a Venture. You can also drop corp, or have an alt to play on.

It's not hard to avoid decs. Learn how to play the game, don't complain about it when you don't understand it in the first place.

EDIT: https://zkillboard.com/kill/40899400/

Learn to properly fit your ship,

Like this one. http://eve.battleclinic.com/loadout/67090-Algos-Solo-PvP.html

Don't add silly faction mods on your ship, just because you can PLEX doesn't mean you're going to win with your wallet.

Also judging by the kills, your members are throwing themselves at Abysmal,

https://zkillboard.com/kill/40811519/ Killed at 15:32

https://zkillboard.com/kill/40812486/ Killed at 16:40

Did you really think that they would forget about you?
I forwarded this post to some friends in a university psych lab. They love studying sociopaths and their "communications." We all thank you so much for volunteering.

The right to free speech doesn't automatically carry with it the right to be taken seriously.

Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#97 - 2014-08-27 14:45:48 UTC
Pok Nibin wrote:

I forwarded this post to some friends in a university psych lab. They love studying sociopaths and their "communications." We all thank you so much for volunteering.


Im sure your own joy in attempting to belittle others is of equal interest to them

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann

Valkin Mordirc
#98 - 2014-08-27 14:49:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Valkin Mordirc
Quote:

I forwarded this post to some friends in a university psych lab. They love studying sociopaths and their "communications." We all thank you so much for volunteering.




The person above finds posting anonymously in a forum about videos games are psychopaths, please beware of ALL individuals posting anonymously in forums with care and as if they are armed with mean words and harsh criticism.
#DeleteTheWeak
RomeStar
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#99 - 2014-08-27 15:00:21 UTC
Lord Nukington wrote:
I'm a relatively new player (20-ish days) and fell into a corporation that A: Had several of my IRL friends in it, and B: was very friendly and supportive of new people.

Anyway, another corporation, one that seems to be mainly made up of PVP players who have been in the game for several years, declared war on us. Well, they declared war on like ten corporations at once, all of them similar newbie type corporations to us. Well, it's not the first time this has happened, so we did our best to avoid them and try to go about our day.

These guys were absolutely merciless though. We had one player, maybe been in the game for a week, get killed (Not just podded, but killed) 5 times in the course of an hour. Pretty sure he quit the game. They camp out where we have our offices, they seem to always be lurking on our most common routes, and they even sometimes appear out of nowhere 20-ish jumps away from those locations and get is when we're in route doing missions. One guy got me about 17 jumps away while I was doing security missions in Amarr space, I look at his profile and he joined the corp that day, and appeared in my backside. I get away with my pod and he sends me the message "GF bra" then proceeds to stalk the system I'm in until I log out for the night.

However, the back-breaking straw is: The EXACT same minute we get the "retracts war" notification, we also get a "Declares War" notification from another corporation. We look, and it lists the same guys that've been beating the tar out of us as the admins of this corp. Looking at their employment history, it seems the entire group of them have been corp surfing between the same four or five names for a long time, and they use this as a way to "extend" wars and continue to torment the same people.


They don't even loot our remains. They pop in, blow us up, then stalk us. Also, sometimes the game shows them as "offline" in the contacts list (added them to get a "warn list" notification when they come online) but they still show up and kill us.


This is griefing. All they want is to kill new players in high sec, and the game is handing it to them. I honestly don't know what recourse we have left other than buy enough Plex to dump billions of ISK into bounties and hope they get the message.


TL:DR Where is my themepark MMO you guys are too mean.

Signatured removed, CCP Phantom

Paynus Maiassus
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#100 - 2014-08-27 15:05:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Paynus Maiassus
To the OP.

I read a couple of the replies to your post but not all of them. The explanations and solutions offered to you that I saw are accurate but not complete.

Basically, Eve has a very old, very experienced player base of PvPers. Eve wants to attract new players, but the old players really only want the new players for more targets. As you will be targets with less experience, basically, the situation is that you'll join the game, the game itself will be great, but the players will drive you to quit. CCP is in an unusual position in that one of the distinctive and from some perspectives awesome things about Eve is that in Eve you can do whatever you want, including being a psychopath. They want to keep this distinctive even as new competitors join the realm of the space game market, all of which take the opposite approach and make PvP optional and give players the opportunity to play without being griefed by other players. My personal view is that high sec should be more a PvE Carebear learn the ropes for new players place and give experienced players a safe, but not economically advantageous, place to earn ISK. I am all for stiffening up CONCORD, making Ganking nigh impossible, and making the warded mechanics restrictive. This is not what the majority of the experienced player base wants, though (they want targets) and CCP will not go in this direction because it's against their stated principle of how they want to make Eve unique. Well not entirely true - they've done a lot to make ganking hard and make high sec safe. But they'll do it all within their general risk vs reward framework and the 'boss' to kill will always be another player or group of players - there will be no theme park or candy land in Eve even in high sec.

This being said, part of your problem is your own perception. If other players have trolled you for not being man enough for Eve, I am sorry. I am not trying to do that. But frankly, if you are a new player in WoW or another game the first time you tackle that NPC boss or dungeon, you're likely to get your tail kicked. Being new in any game involves frustrations and losses. Eve is no different, it's just that the boss or dungeon in this game is a player to whom you are nothing but pixels and wants nothing but to beat you. So basically, if you are getting your hat handed to you because you are new, just remember, that Eve is a tough game and you're new, and down the road you'll be ripping apart noobs yourself. Basically, a good, challenging game is going to involve loss and frustration in the beginning and mastery at the end. You're at the beginning. Eve is more like chess than monopoly. Tremendous level of challenge and skill involved. So my primary advice for you is to just keep your chin up and learn.

Second, I did not notice anyone giving you one piece of advice I thought of. People did recommend 'play alts'. As a new player you should not be forced to play alts and you may not have the resources to afford them. However, one must understand that CCP even designs the client to be able to handle having many clients open at once. PLEX and PLEX certificates and all basically show that in Eve the price to play is really not $15 a month. It's $30 and up, and it involves playing alts. They are a part of the game. However, if you are too new to get into this, one tactic that noobie highseccers use during wars is to just log off for a week. You're not an addict are you? One thing about Eve that some love and some hate are the training queues. It takes years to get some skills and fly some ships. However, your character gets better when you don't log in. Take a break from Eve for a week. Your enemies will get bored and go away.

Hopefully this will blend a bit of perspective and philosophy with a point or two of good advice. Just remember, one of the great things about Eve is that it's a real challenge. It's hard. I am not trying to troll you or tell you that you suck. Just keep your chin up. Eve is meant to be hard. And the way they make it hard is by empowering psychopathic players to be your Elite Boss that is kicking your tail. If you stick with it you'll master a lot of aspects of it and have something to be proud of, like a chess master can claim he has a real skill unlike a Donkey Kong master. If the challenge of the day is too tough for you and your friends, just log off for a week. The game will be here when you get back, your enemies will likely be gone, and your character will have more skills.