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War Decs as a griefing tool

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Lan Wang
Princess Aiko Hold My Hand
Safety. Net
#41 - 2014-08-27 12:24:24 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Lan Wang wrote:

who cares what ship it is bottom line is young players dont have the skill or knowledge to even consider situations like this.




Who cares what ship it is?

That was half my point, you don't even know how a wardeccer fights, how would you know what is or is not a viable tactic for low SP players?

The question was posed how they are supposed to fight back. I answered it, and it was a damned good answer what's more.

Don't come in here and nitpick me, then tell me that the semantics aren't up for discussion.


please enlighten us on how a nado cant be used for sitting on undocks popping frigs before they have a chance to breath? and let us know what ships and fits you use for wardeccing rookie corps

Domination Nephilim - Angel Cartel

Calm down miner. As you pointed out, people think they can get away with stuff they would not in rl... Like for example illegal mining... - Ima Wreckyou*
Xuixien
Solar Winds Security Solutions
#42 - 2014-08-27 12:26:58 UTC
Lan Wang wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Lan Wang wrote:

who cares what ship it is bottom line is young players dont have the skill or knowledge to even consider situations like this.




Who cares what ship it is?

That was half my point, you don't even know how a wardeccer fights, how would you know what is or is not a viable tactic for low SP players?

The question was posed how they are supposed to fight back. I answered it, and it was a damned good answer what's more.

Don't come in here and nitpick me, then tell me that the semantics aren't up for discussion.


please enlighten us on how a nado cant be used for sitting on undocks popping frigs before they have a chance to breath? and let us know what ships and fits you use for wardeccing rookie corps


Instant-undocks will help those frigates a lot, as will cloaky warp-ins and tackle (hell even a crappy stealth bomber can unlock 2k from a nado, grab point, and orbit it avoiding all damage from the guns).

For HiSec wars I used everything from a Navy Comet, an armor kiting Nomen, to a Proteus.

Epic Space Cat, Horsegirl, Philanthropist
Valkin Mordirc
#43 - 2014-08-27 12:28:02 UTC
Lan Wang wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Lan Wang wrote:

who cares what ship it is bottom line is young players dont have the skill or knowledge to even consider situations like this.




Who cares what ship it is?

That was half my point, you don't even know how a wardeccer fights, how would you know what is or is not a viable tactic for low SP players?

The question was posed how they are supposed to fight back. I answered it, and it was a damned good answer what's more.

Don't come in here and nitpick me, then tell me that the semantics aren't up for discussion.


please enlighten us on how a nado cant be used for sitting on undocks popping frigs before they have a chance to breath? and let us know what ships and fits you use for wardeccing rookie corps



Nado miss frigs all the time, a Frigate moving out to align, the transversal will make the Nado miss. Also if you undock and a Wartarget is sitting outside in a Nado and you think it's a good idea to go ahead and go. You pretty much deserve to be popped.

If you want to pop somebody coming out of dock, you use a Legion or something of that ilk.

A Tornado is more useful hitting ships coming into to dock really.
#DeleteTheWeak
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#44 - 2014-08-27 12:29:08 UTC
Lan Wang wrote:

please enlighten us on how a nado cant be used for sitting on undocks popping frigs before they have a chance to breath?


You... you do know how signature radius works on guns, right? Even a general idea?

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and let us know what ships and fits you use for wardeccing rookie corps


Oh, that's easy. Most of the strong armor ships will do. For lower skillpoints, the Ishkur provides an excellent amount of tank, dps, and can speed tank almost any battleship guns.

For a bit higher up there in budget and skillpoints, many prefer the Legion, but my personal favorite is the Sacrilege. The Ashimmu is also a good choice.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Ether Wing
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#45 - 2014-08-27 12:29:34 UTC
Valkin Mordirc wrote:
Ether Wing wrote:
Valkin Mordirc wrote:
You mean this wardec? https://zkillboard.com/war/378511/
Firstly, If you cannot defend yourself, you do not deserve to be alive in the first place. Pretty much my own personal philosophy in EVE.


Quote:

Learn to properly fit your ship


Jesus christ, these guys are noobs. Give them a break. Why not be a little considerate when giving advice, instead of quoting the law of the jungle? Are you saying there was never a time when you didn't know what the **** you were doing with fitting your ships and being a general moron with the finer points of how to play the game? Go blow them up all you want, but please, at least realize that these guys are brand new to the game and could use some encouragement, instead of being **** talked to.



Was I ever a noob? Yeah, but I had people to teach me. I joined a corp that could defend itself and me along with it. I read guides, and taught myself how to fit ships and how to do everything else. They should be doing the same thing.

And I am teaching them, you failed to quote the Link to a proper fitted Algos. Interesting right? I showed them what they did wrong and gave them a good fit.



Yeah, good job on the link, but you missed my point entirely. Instead of encouraging these newbies, you're talking down on them, making them feel like losers who should've figured things out on their own. This is a vast game, which requires a lot of information to be disseminated for players to become competent, but it still is just a game. You can't expect a week old player to have studied it up like he was preparing for an exam. We should be making new players feel welcome, even if you're going out blowing them up, instead of lambasting them for "not doing their homework."
Valkin Mordirc
#46 - 2014-08-27 12:32:51 UTC
Ether Wing wrote:



Yeah, good job on the link, but you missed my point entirely. Instead of encouraging these newbies, you're talking down on them, making them feel like losers who should've figured things out on their own. This is a vast game, which requires a lot of information to be disseminated for players to become competent, but it still is just a game. You can't expect a week old player to have studied it up like he was preparing for an exam. We should be making new players feel welcome, even if you're going out blowing them up, instead of lambasting them for "not doing their homework."



Information is a free as it is easily accessible. If they want to play a game without understanding it, It's not my problem, nor should I 'give them a break' when they want to complain about it, when they don't understand it in the first place.
#DeleteTheWeak
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#47 - 2014-08-27 12:34:33 UTC
Ether Wing wrote:
We should be making new players feel welcome, even if you're going out blowing them up, instead of lambasting them for "not doing their homework."


I would imagine a prerequisite for being made to feel welcome is a good attitude.

That being, NOT the kind that comes crying on the forums and calls your style of gameplay "griefing". That kind rightly gets free farmed.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Solecist Project
#48 - 2014-08-27 12:34:47 UTC
LOOK WHO'LL GET WARDECCED!!! :D

That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds. - Tippia
Xuixien
Solar Winds Security Solutions
#49 - 2014-08-27 12:37:30 UTC
Ether Wing wrote:
Valkin Mordirc wrote:
Ether Wing wrote:
Valkin Mordirc wrote:
You mean this wardec? https://zkillboard.com/war/378511/
Firstly, If you cannot defend yourself, you do not deserve to be alive in the first place. Pretty much my own personal philosophy in EVE.


Quote:

Learn to properly fit your ship


Jesus christ, these guys are noobs. Give them a break. Why not be a little considerate when giving advice, instead of quoting the law of the jungle? Are you saying there was never a time when you didn't know what the **** you were doing with fitting your ships and being a general moron with the finer points of how to play the game? Go blow them up all you want, but please, at least realize that these guys are brand new to the game and could use some encouragement, instead of being **** talked to.



Was I ever a noob? Yeah, but I had people to teach me. I joined a corp that could defend itself and me along with it. I read guides, and taught myself how to fit ships and how to do everything else. They should be doing the same thing.

And I am teaching them, you failed to quote the Link to a proper fitted Algos. Interesting right? I showed them what they did wrong and gave them a good fit.



Yeah, good job on the link, but you missed my point entirely. Instead of encouraging these newbies, you're talking down on them, making them feel like losers who should've figured things out on their own. This is a vast game, which requires a lot of information to be disseminated for players to become competent, but it still is just a game. You can't expect a week old player to have studied it up like he was preparing for an exam. We should be making new players feel welcome, even if you're going out blowing them up, instead of lambasting them for "not doing their homework."


So then do something about it, because all you're doing is talking down to others.

Epic Space Cat, Horsegirl, Philanthropist
Lan Wang
Princess Aiko Hold My Hand
Safety. Net
#50 - 2014-08-27 12:38:01 UTC
you seem to be missing the point, 2 week old players dont know any of this stuff on how to avoid pro-wardeccers they too busy trying to leant the basics

Domination Nephilim - Angel Cartel

Calm down miner. As you pointed out, people think they can get away with stuff they would not in rl... Like for example illegal mining... - Ima Wreckyou*
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#51 - 2014-08-27 12:39:27 UTC
Lan Wang wrote:
you seem to be missing the point, 2 week old players dont know any of this stuff on how to avoid pro-wardeccers they too busy trying to leant the basics


That'd be a bad time to be in a player corp full of the same, wouldn't it?

I mean, for goodness sakes, you actually think no one in the Help Channel would have told them this would have happened? That absolutely none of them knew it was a possibility?

You must be kidding me.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Xuixien
Solar Winds Security Solutions
#52 - 2014-08-27 12:40:55 UTC
Lan Wang wrote:
you seem to be missing the point, 2 week old players dont know any of this stuff on how to avoid pro-wardeccers they too busy trying to leant the basics


So start your own training corp, then.

Epic Space Cat, Horsegirl, Philanthropist
Alastair Ormand
Mine all the things
#53 - 2014-08-27 12:42:36 UTC
Drop corp and reform. Easy.

I discourage running with scissors.
Solecist Project
#54 - 2014-08-27 12:42:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Solecist Project
Facts of the matter are really simple:


1. You join a playercorp.
2. That playercorp doesn't teach you how to defend yourself.
3. Too bad, you shouldn't have joined a playercorp.

Extra point: If it was a noob who created a corp,
well, stupid, someone should have told him not to do it.


The issue isn't the wardeccers,
but those assholes who think they can create playercorps
and ruin the game for all the members by not teaching them the game properly.


You people need three pages of bullshit crap words,
when this is seriously all the ground that is to it.


So ... let's infriltrate that corp and make sure it implodes
and let's take all the noobs who are WILLING players with us.


Now feel free to keep talking senslessly about your stupid opinions about irrelevant bullshit ...
... while I'll take the corp!


You people are daft beyond belief.


And where's my Don??

That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds. - Tippia
Valkin Mordirc
#55 - 2014-08-27 12:42:57 UTC
Lan Wang wrote:
you seem to be missing the point, 2 week old players dont know any of this stuff on how to avoid pro-wardeccers they too busy trying to leant the basics



So, A bunch of newbies should be treated like special snowflakes?

Anyone in EVE can tell you making a corp when you havn't even passed trail phase, is utterly and tremendously stupid. If you think they need protected so much, let them join your corp. 
#DeleteTheWeak
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#56 - 2014-08-27 12:43:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Kaarous Aldurald
Xuixien wrote:
Lan Wang wrote:
you seem to be missing the point, 2 week old players dont know any of this stuff on how to avoid pro-wardeccers they too busy trying to leant the basics


So start your own training corp, then.


In before "I can't be assed".

For goodness sakes I spent the time last night to explain to a newbie what a margin scam was, and last week I took some time explaining freighter webbing to some corpies.

Me. You will never find anyone more willing to support just about any and all forms of "griefing", and if I can help out newbies, surely someone whose heart aches as much as yours for their plight can help out.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Xuixien
Solar Winds Security Solutions
#57 - 2014-08-27 12:46:32 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Xuixien wrote:
Lan Wang wrote:
you seem to be missing the point, 2 week old players dont know any of this stuff on how to avoid pro-wardeccers they too busy trying to leant the basics


So start your own training corp, then.


In before "I can't be assed".

For goodness sakes I spent the time last night to explain to a newbie what a margin scam was, and last week I took some time explaining freighter webbing to some corpies.

Me. You will never find anyone more willing to support just about any and all forms of "griefing", and if I can help out newbies, surely someone whose heart aches as much as yours for their plight can help out.


It's ironic how the "evil sociopath griefers" do more to advocate for newbies than the so-called newbie advocates themselves, isn't it?

Epic Space Cat, Horsegirl, Philanthropist
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#58 - 2014-08-27 12:47:52 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Xuixien wrote:
Lan Wang wrote:
you seem to be missing the point, 2 week old players dont know any of this stuff on how to avoid pro-wardeccers they too busy trying to leant the basics


So start your own training corp, then.


In before "I can't be assed".

For goodness sakes I spent the time last night to explain to a newbie what a margin scam was, and last week I took some time explaining freighter webbing to some corpies.

Me. You will never find anyone more willing to support just about any and all forms of "griefing", and if I can help out newbies, surely someone whose heart aches as much as yours for their plight can help out.


THE worst new players are the ones who you spend and hour explaining somethign to as they argue with you as to why it can possibly be like that and then when you are done they say "yeah well I will do it the other way anyway and see what happens"

They should be expunged

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#59 - 2014-08-27 12:50:14 UTC
Ramona McCandless wrote:

They should be expunged


I once got a guy to load up all of his possessions and then left him in a wormhole. Marooned, if you will.

While the ragemails were funny, when I finally decided to let him out a few hours later I found that the wormhole had collapsed, which was the real kicker.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#60 - 2014-08-27 12:51:29 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Marooned, if you will.


KKKKHHHHAAAAAAANNNNNNNN!!

KKKHHHAAAAAAAAAAANNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN!!

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann