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KnightMaire kings
The Exchange Collective
#1 - 2014-08-23 16:36:15 UTC
I Have a Eos for PVE and it can tank any scout incs, misson or c3 site and I can refit it do do and aply 750 ish dps
Why do people not use them more
And are any others Better at pve
I can fly all cs so any ideas are welcome

Post fits!!!

The only major drawback is the crazed notion that the inventory would look so much better if merely rearranged ONE MORE TIME.
Caleidascope
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#2 - 2014-08-23 19:27:41 UTC
KnightMaire kings wrote:
I Have a Eos for PVE and it can tank any scout incs, misson or c3 site and I can refit it do do and aply 750 ish dps
Why do people not use them more
And are any others Better at pve
I can fly all cs so any ideas are welcome

Post fits!!!

I have done scout sites in navy slicer, thrasher. I did not need command ship for it.

On the other hand, have you tried to do vanguard site?
My advice, don't.

Life is short and dinner time is chancy

Eat dessert first!
Garak n00biachi
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2014-08-23 20:38:44 UTC
KnightMaire kings wrote:
I Have a Eos for PVE and it can tank any scout incs, misson or c3 site and I can refit it do do and aply 750 ish dps
Why do people not use them more
And are any others Better at pve
I can fly all cs so any ideas are welcome

Post fits!!!


Skill requirements i suppose; by the time someone gets to do all those skills that person already perfected HAC,T3 or BS skills to pve with and gotten used to using those ships.
If you never intend to be a fleet booster skilling stuff you will never use for 90 days just to get into the ship is a pretty big hurdle.....i guess?
Nico Laitanen
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#4 - 2014-08-23 20:46:33 UTC
I'm aiming for a Vulture in the distant future. -Blaster fit, maybe?
chaosgrimm
Synth Tech
#5 - 2014-08-23 20:59:41 UTC
Battleships are usually able to offer more. For example choosing between a T2 BC and a T2 BS, all marauders have better dps, projection, tank, ewar immunity, tractors, etc

Compared to T1, t1 push better dps, cost less, have better projection, an acceptable tank, etc
Kyoko Onzo
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#6 - 2014-08-24 00:52:52 UTC
Garak n00biachi wrote:
KnightMaire kings wrote:
I Have a Eos for PVE and it can tank any scout incs, misson or c3 site and I can refit it do do and aply 750 ish dps
Why do people not use them more
And are any others Better at pve
I can fly all cs so any ideas are welcome

Post fits!!!


Skill requirements i suppose; by the time someone gets to do all those skills that person already perfected HAC,T3 or BS skills to pve with and gotten used to using those ships.
If you never intend to be a fleet booster skilling stuff you will never use for 90 days just to get into the ship is a pretty big hurdle.....i guess?



My assumption (based on him saying he can fly all CS's) is that he is like myself in that he trained for CS's prior to the changes (used to be non racial BC V, war link spec IV, Heavy assault IV and maybe one more thing to V) when the training wasn't so intensive and it was worthwhile to have a supped up BC (and T3's had literally just came out when I finished my training).

Now a days I wouldn't train or recommend training for one, but for the training I put in to get mine (and due to the changes the other 3 races as well) it was well worth it.
KnightMaire kings
The Exchange Collective
#7 - 2014-08-24 02:55:23 UTC  |  Edited by: KnightMaire kings
Here arethe fits I useI refit a lot

[deff, Eos]
Damage Control II
Medium Armor Repairer II
Medium Armor Repairer II
Reactive Armor Hardener
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II

Cap Recharger II
Cap Recharger II
Cap Recharger II
Cap Recharger II

Armored Warfare Link - Damage Control II
Armored Warfare Link - Passive Defense II
Armored Warfare Link - Rapid Repair II
250mm Railgun II, Spike M
250mm Railgun II, Spike M
250mm Railgun II, Spike M

Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump II
Medium Capacitor Control Circuit II

Ogre II x5
Garde II x5
[off, Eos]
Damage Control II
Medium Armor Repairer II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II

Cap Recharger II
Drone Navigation Computer II
Drone Navigation Computer II
Omnidirectional Tracking Link II

Armored Warfare Link - Damage Control II
Armored Warfare Link - Passive Defense II
250mm Railgun II, Spike M
250mm Railgun II, Spike M
250mm Railgun II, Spike M

Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump II
Medium Capacitor Control Circuit II

Ogre II x5
Garde II x5

2.7 k dps tank vs thermal and kinetic

The only major drawback is the crazed notion that the inventory would look so much better if merely rearranged ONE MORE TIME.
Mysa
EVIL PLANKTON
#8 - 2014-08-24 08:33:27 UTC
Ridicolus vs sanshas whatever low/null deds.. biggest issue is how to feed it whit ammo. scram mwd 2 neuts cap boosters in depot if you find a sansha ratter..

Centum A-Type Medium Armor Repairer
Damage Control II
Core A-Type Armor EM Hardener
Core A-Type Armor Thermic Hardener
Gyrostabilizer II

100MN Analog Booster Rockets
Federation Navy Stasis Webifier
Tracking Computer II, Tracking Speed Script
Cap Recharger II
Cap Recharger II

425mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M
425mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M
425mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M
425mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M
425mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M
Caldari Navy Cloaking Device
Sisters Core Probe Launcher, Sisters Core Scanner Probe

Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump II
Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump II

Acolyte II x5

SoloFoLife! -KEKE the Merlin wonder
Lloyd Roses
Artificial Memories
#9 - 2014-08-24 09:33:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Lloyd Roses
Why on earth would you use a CS for pve if a BS is both cheaper and faster at running that sort of content...

Not without reasoning, compare a regular mach to this:

[Sleipnir, pve]

Gyrostabilizer II
Gyrostabilizer II
Gyrostabilizer II
Tracking Enhancer II
Tracking Enhancer II

Pithum C-Type Medium Shield Booster
Shield Boost Amplifier II
Gistum C-Type 10MN Microwarpdrive
Tracking Computer II, Optimal Range Script
Tracking Computer II, Tracking Speed Script

720mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet EMP M
720mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet EMP M
720mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet EMP M
720mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet EMP M
720mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet EMP M
Small Tractor Beam II
[Empty High slot]

Medium Projectile Burst Aerator II
Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I

And yeah, Sleip needs less tank, but still falls short regarding dps.
Mysa
EVIL PLANKTON
#10 - 2014-08-24 09:57:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Mysa
Lloyd Roses wrote:
Why on earth would you use a CS for pve if a BS is both cheaper and faster at running that sort of content....

Because we can?

SoloFoLife! -KEKE the Merlin wonder
Lloyd Roses
Artificial Memories
#11 - 2014-08-24 10:37:15 UTC
Mysa wrote:
Lloyd Roses wrote:
Why on earth would you use a CS for pve if a BS is both cheaper and faster at running that sort of content....

Because we can?


Dunno. Shooting red crosses makes me rather cringe at times unless 4/5-digit dps group content.

If you're into running L4s, you can pretty much fly a machariel or do it wrong. It's even easier to train for.
Mysa
EVIL PLANKTON
#12 - 2014-08-24 10:51:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Mysa
Lloyd Roses wrote:
Mysa wrote:
Lloyd Roses wrote:
Why on earth would you use a CS for pve if a BS is both cheaper and faster at running that sort of content....

Because we can?


Dunno. Shooting red crosses makes me rather cringe at times unless 4/5-digit dps group content.

If you're into running L4s, you can pretty much fly a machariel or do it wrong. It's even easier to train for.


I solo 8-10/10 complexes when i pve, armor loki/sleip for sansha provi, tengu/ishtar for serp n guristas. he asked for a cs pve setup, not a lv4 ship for the lowest price vs isk/h

SoloFoLife! -KEKE the Merlin wonder
Kyoko Onzo
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#13 - 2014-08-24 19:25:42 UTC
Lloyd Roses wrote:
Mysa wrote:
Lloyd Roses wrote:
Why on earth would you use a CS for pve if a BS is both cheaper and faster at running that sort of content....

Because we can?


Dunno. Shooting red crosses makes me rather cringe at times unless 4/5-digit dps group content.

If you're into running L4s, you can pretty much fly a machariel or do it wrong. It's even easier to train for.


Yes I can put out just over 1100 dps with a Mach and just shy of 900 with a Sleipnir (iirc). But the Sleipnir can apply that full dps a lot easier and quicker to frig rats which point and web; and those are the only real danger to me in either ship as it could mean tanking a fistful of rats as well as would be gankers. Yes drones, but with target switching if I just leave drones out there is a good chance of loosing some, which means less effectiveness on subsequent waves. No I'm much safer in a Sleip than a Mach pve'ing as both can easily tank whatever I'm doing, but the real danger is neuts/reds.

Since when is a Mach cheaper than a Sleipnir (even with 3 domi gyro's)??

If need be I can as well accommodate a warp disruptor in my Sleip pve setup without hurting my tank (as it's generally overtanked).

It may not be "optimal" but it's still very effective and I feel much safer in it. Yes if I was doing lvl4's I would be sitting in a Mach (which I do own and do take out as well, just not as frequently).
Lloyd Roses
Artificial Memories
#14 - 2014-08-25 16:21:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Lloyd Roses
Kyoko Onzo wrote:
Lloyd Roses wrote:
Mysa wrote:
Lloyd Roses wrote:
Why on earth would you use a CS for pve if a BS is both cheaper and faster at running that sort of content....

Because we can?


Dunno. Shooting red crosses makes me rather cringe at times unless 4/5-digit dps group content.

If you're into running L4s, you can pretty much fly a machariel or do it wrong. It's even easier to train for.


Yes I can put out just over 1100 dps with a Mach and just shy of 900 with a Sleipnir (iirc). But the Sleipnir can apply that full dps a lot easier and quicker to frig rats which point and web; and those are the only real danger to me in either ship as it could mean tanking a fistful of rats as well as would be gankers. Yes drones, but with target switching if I just leave drones out there is a good chance of loosing some, which means less effectiveness on subsequent waves. No I'm much safer in a Sleip than a Mach pve'ing as both can easily tank whatever I'm doing, but the real danger is neuts/reds.

Since when is a Mach cheaper than a Sleipnir (even with 3 domi gyro's)??

If need be I can as well accommodate a warp disruptor in my Sleip pve setup without hurting my tank (as it's generally overtanked).

It may not be "optimal" but it's still very effective and I feel much safer in it. Yes if I was doing lvl4's I would be sitting in a Mach (which I do own and do take out as well, just not as frequently).


Yeah, your med ACs totally apply damage past 10km hmmm...

I actually compared the Sleipnir to BS in General, where the sleip loses out immensely (ex. Raven, Dominix). In particular, I was comparing sleip (600mil for my setup or ~2bil for that other smart gents abomination that he loves flying around in null, running 10/10s with 600dps....) to a machariel (900mil with T2 hyperspatials ltic).

So yeah. There are smart ways to do stuff and dumb ways. Using CS for ove is a dumb affair in general, even more so if you go through the mind numbing activity of shooting structures with horrible dps.
Kyoko Onzo
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#15 - 2014-08-26 21:44:42 UTC
900 dps 16km falloff vs 1100 dps 27km falloff. Speed and agility are roughly the same. Med AC's deal with pointing rats faster than do large AC's. Don't have t2 cruise/Torp missile skills nor t2 heavy/sentry drone skills so I get more out of a Sleip or Mach than I would out of a raven or dominix. I trained CS when they had a boosting ship and basically a HABC version so training was no where near as intensive as now. I'm just that little bit safer with meds than large and willing to trade off the dps for it. Not sure where you get 600dps, rats stick close so range isn't an issue beyond one cycle of an mwd; and I wouldn't arty fit either. It's not the most effective but calling it dumb is pretty ignorant.
PhatController
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#16 - 2014-08-28 14:46:22 UTC
Used to use a dual medium booster Nighthawk, to run missions faster then a RAven Navy issue even with it's slightly lower max dps, due to being somewhat faster and having better damage application from heavy's vs cruise missiles.

This was before teiricide so don't know how it stands now.,
KnightMaire kings
The Exchange Collective
#17 - 2014-08-31 04:56:07 UTC
Any abso fits for pve ?

The only major drawback is the crazed notion that the inventory would look so much better if merely rearranged ONE MORE TIME.
Dato Koppla
Neuronix
#18 - 2014-08-31 05:56:14 UTC
KnightMaire kings wrote:
Any abso fits for pve ?


[Absolution, PvE]

Medium Armor Repairer II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Reactive Armor Hardener
Heat Sink II
Heat Sink II
Heat Sink II

Experimental 10MN Microwarpdrive I
Tracking Computer II, Optimal Range Script
Medium Electrochemical Capacitor Booster I, Navy Cap Booster 800

Heavy Beam Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M
Heavy Beam Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M
Heavy Beam Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M
Heavy Beam Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M
Heavy Beam Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M
Medium Diminishing Power System Drain I
Auto Targeting System I

Medium Energy Locus Coordinator II
Medium Energy Locus Coordinator II


Hobgoblin II x5

850dps@23+13 / 670dps@40+13km / 535dps@ 83+13km
237dps omnitank (much higher with faction-specific resists)
1148m/s
Cap is a little weak and you'll be quite dependant on boosters, but the stats are impressive for sure.