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Phantasm and it's tracking bonus
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Jaari Val'Dara
Grim Sleepers
#1 - 2014-08-26 12:33:31 UTC
So yesterday I had the pleasure to fly a phantasm, without looking at the graphs first. While I still got a nice kill, I was somewhat disappointed with performance of my phantasm. Afterburner bonus is surely nice, no one can hit me, weeeee. But it's tracking bonus is lackluster, even with a tracking computer, at optimal range even if target is not moving I will only do less than half dps. Basically you can either move fast, or hit well, not both.

Anyone else feel that it would be better if it got higher tracking bonus, to offset the afterburner bonus?

Maybe someone got a decent fit that got it covered too?
Val'Dore
PlanetCorp InterStellar
#2 - 2014-08-26 13:20:18 UTC
What fit did you use?

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Danny John-Peter
Blue Canary
Watch This
#3 - 2014-08-26 13:27:45 UTC
Lasers have naturally **** tracking, so orbiting and generally engaging at close range is not the best strategy, try using your AB bonus to hold yourself at the edge or out of scram range, or long point kiting entirely depending on your fit.
Jaari Val'Dara
Grim Sleepers
#4 - 2014-08-26 13:47:30 UTC
Danny John-Peter wrote:
Lasers have naturally **** tracking, so orbiting and generally engaging at close range is not the best strategy, try using your AB bonus to hold yourself at the edge or out of scram range, or long point kiting entirely depending on your fit.

Yeah i was orbiting at the far edge of scram range, it still was rather lacking in anything but grazing hits. Best range is ~10km. Even then without tracking computers, or enhancers or rigs, it is only like 1/3rd of max dps.
Jaari Val'Dara
Grim Sleepers
#5 - 2014-08-26 13:50:38 UTC
Val'Dore wrote:
What fit did you use?

[Phantasm, pvp v3]

Heat Sink II
Heat Sink II
Damage Control II
Co-Processor II
Nanofiber Internal Structure II

Gistum C-Type 10MN Afterburner
Large Ancillary Shield Booster, Navy Cap Booster 150
Large Ancillary Shield Booster, Navy Cap Booster 150
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Faint Epsilon Warp Scrambler I
Balmer Series Tracking Disruptor I, Tracking Speed Disruption Script

Heavy Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M
Medium Diminishing Power System Drain I

Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I
Medium Polycarbon Engine Housing II
Medium Polycarbon Engine Housing II


Hobgoblin II x3



At first it looked like a good idea, nearly unkillable ship. But now i think I will put more gank into it. Or more exactly more tracking. To do that i need tracking rig, tracking computer and tracking enhancer, just to get it to near max dps.
To mare
Advanced Technology
#6 - 2014-08-26 14:29:19 UTC
Jaari Val'Dara wrote:
Val'Dore wrote:
What fit did you use?

[Phantasm, pvp v3]

Heat Sink II
Heat Sink II
Damage Control II
Co-Processor II
Nanofiber Internal Structure II

Gistum C-Type 10MN Afterburner
Large Ancillary Shield Booster, Navy Cap Booster 150
Large Ancillary Shield Booster, Navy Cap Booster 150
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Faint Epsilon Warp Scrambler I
Balmer Series Tracking Disruptor I, Tracking Speed Disruption Script

Heavy Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M
Medium Diminishing Power System Drain I

Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I
Medium Polycarbon Engine Housing II
Medium Polycarbon Engine Housing II


Hobgoblin II x3



At first it looked like a good idea, nearly unkillable ship. But now i think I will put more gank into it. Or more exactly more tracking. To do that i need tracking rig, tracking computer and tracking enhancer, just to get it to near max dps.

i tought you said you were using a tracking computer on your ship.
it`s your amarr cruiser skill at 5?
2 x large ancillary boosters its a waste of slots
Jaari Val'Dara
Grim Sleepers
#7 - 2014-08-26 14:32:37 UTC
To mare wrote:
Jaari Val'Dara wrote:
Val'Dore wrote:
What fit did you use?

[Phantasm, pvp v3]

Heat Sink II
Heat Sink II
Damage Control II
Co-Processor II
Nanofiber Internal Structure II

Gistum C-Type 10MN Afterburner
Large Ancillary Shield Booster, Navy Cap Booster 150
Large Ancillary Shield Booster, Navy Cap Booster 150
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Faint Epsilon Warp Scrambler I
Balmer Series Tracking Disruptor I, Tracking Speed Disruption Script

Heavy Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M
Medium Diminishing Power System Drain I

Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I
Medium Polycarbon Engine Housing II
Medium Polycarbon Engine Housing II


Hobgoblin II x3



At first it looked like a good idea, nearly unkillable ship. But now i think I will put more gank into it. Or more exactly more tracking. To do that i need tracking rig, tracking computer and tracking enhancer, just to get it to near max dps.

i tought you said you were using a tracking computer on your ship.
it`s your amarr cruiser skill at 5?
2 x large ancillary boosters its a waste of slots


Well those boosters, saved my ship, so I am not that sure about them. I was going for max survivability. I didn't want to have shield extenders, because I am using halo implants.

And yes I have amarr cruiser to 5.
Kagura Nikon
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#8 - 2014-08-26 15:13:25 UTC
Jaari Val'Dara wrote:
Danny John-Peter wrote:
Lasers have naturally **** tracking, so orbiting and generally engaging at close range is not the best strategy, try using your AB bonus to hold yourself at the edge or out of scram range, or long point kiting entirely depending on your fit.

Yeah i was orbiting at the far edge of scram range, it still was rather lacking in anything but grazing hits. Best range is ~10km. Even then without tracking computers, or enhancers or rigs, it is only like 1/3rd of max dps.



USe scorch and orbit at 28 km at edge of your true sansha disruptor...

"If brute force does not solve your problem....  then you are  surely not using enough!"
Aerie Evingod
Midwest Miners LLC
#9 - 2014-08-26 15:58:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Aerie Evingod
Kagura Nikon wrote:
Jaari Val'Dara wrote:
Danny John-Peter wrote:
Lasers have naturally **** tracking, so orbiting and generally engaging at close range is not the best strategy, try using your AB bonus to hold yourself at the edge or out of scram range, or long point kiting entirely depending on your fit.

Yeah i was orbiting at the far edge of scram range, it still was rather lacking in anything but grazing hits. Best range is ~10km. Even then without tracking computers, or enhancers or rigs, it is only like 1/3rd of max dps.



USe scorch and orbit at 28 km at edge of your true sansha disruptor...



This. If you are going to be in close drop an ASB or the TD for a tracking computer. Ideally, use scotch and a long point where tracking will be better.
1600 RT
#10 - 2014-08-26 16:40:58 UTC
i think alot of ppl have the wrong idea on the usefulness of orbiting your enemy...

that said a HP phantasm have a better tracking than a 425AC cynabal at any range with both faction and T2 ammo, much better range and the ability to switch ammo in a second
Liam Inkuras
Furnace
Thermodynamics
#11 - 2014-08-26 18:05:52 UTC
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