EVE New Citizens Q&A

Hi guys,

I have been out of the game for many years, and even when i was playing I was never in to PvP due to the latency and semi-frequent disconnects I have because of my location (Thailand).

Therefore I do not know the rules... and need some info.

I am running level 4 missions, and over the last couple days I have noticed one particular criminal (yellow/red) warp in to where I am running missions. this is in .5+ space.

When he/she does that I tend to just warp out and go back later to finish the mission, but its damn annoying. He does not seem to interfere or steal loot or anything... but its my worry since I don't really know the mechanics of PvP that he will be able to somehow trick me in to attacking or something so that he can kick my ass lol.

Can someone please explain what can and cannot be done in a situation like that, and if there are alternatives to running away? Fighting is out of the question - I am not geared for it, and have no PvP skills at all yet. On the positive side my connection issues are much better now (350 ping with no disconnects, but occasional bump to 700-1000 ping), and they just upgraded us to 50mb/s internet, so speed is no longer an issue. So I may get in to PvP eventually... but need to know how to deal with this type of guy for now. (I know to stay out of .4 and below)

Thanks much,

Frosty

They are baiting you. If you engage them, you will lose your ship.

If they are ninja-salvaging or looting my wrecks, I often send them some ISK, because they are obviously destitute.

I also like to engage them in conversation, if they'll chat. I treat them with politeness, good-natured humour, and kindness, regardless of how they treat me.

If the mission objective requires you to obtain an item, they can "steal" it (obtain it before you do), preventing you from completing the mission. They typically well sell it to you for an inflated price. For these missions, it may be better to complete them later, though the intruder might complete the mission for you to get the item (rare).

If you see a lot of them, you are likely in a high-population mission hub. I've not seen any of them for a few years now, since moving to a low-population constellation.

EDIT: Gankers rarely arrive solo, and often have a neutral scout. Only bling-fits really need to be concerned, but if you are piloting a bling-fit, you should be taking precautions, and been long gone before they even got close.

Yeah , he'll be using a neut or nos of some variety. The thing about mission runners tanks is that they tend to break when their cap is drained - that will be a crucial part of his tactics when he engages you.

Good call however , warping off and leaving him in the mission is absolutely the best thing to do in these circumstances.

All the above advice is sound, but I must point out two things...

The bolded words are the points of concern.

Having an expensive fit like that does make your ship a target for gankers.

And just because you can rep 600 hp/sec it does not mean you are immune to ganking. In fact... you might be more vulnerable to it.

The gist of suicide ganking is to try and "punch" right through any "buffer" hp you have before reps kick in and/or the NPC police arrive.

For example: Imagine 10 or so Catalysts (each doing about 200-400+ dps and worth 2 or 3 million) landing right on top of you and applying their damage. That is easily a combined 2000 - 4000 damage per second until CONCORD arrives to kill the gankers (which, in 0.5 security space, is about ~15 seconds... which means they can potentially deal about 30,000 to 60,000 damage total).

Now... combined with the potential value of the loot you may drop (50% chance of a module dropping as loot) the gankers may want to bring in more people just to be sure they kill you.

I suggest you tread carefully from now on now that you have publicly admitted to having such a ship with such a fit. I suggest "travel fitting" you ship (see: after you get a mission, slap on a 1600mm plate until you get to the system you are supposed to go to, dock, refit, and then go to the mission).
And always remain mobile and away from the warp-in during the mission itself lest they follow you in.

Yup, the best way to avoid gankers killing you is to avoid gankers seeing you as a target. You don't need all that fancy lol nonsense gear (apart from that, Proteus isn't exactly amazing for lvl 4 missions). Drop your module cost below 200-300 mil and no one will try and gank you.

The short answer is if a mission runner isn't willing to defend what is his, someone can take it, and complaining isn't part of accepted EvE HTFU culture.

The simple formula is thus: Ownership in EvE is directly proportional to a willingness to assert it (with holy void or antimatter...)

So, If someone rolls into your mission, steals all the wreck loots, tags and even mission completion items like the damsel, you have a choice...

You can assert your ownership, or you can accept the loss and move on.

Complaining is tears, and they are rumored to be delicious, in all their various forms.

F

Great to have a guest appearance & update by Erotica 1 in the comments as well....

simple rule :
if you engage first. he can engage you back.
if you dont do anything. neither can he.