Warfare & Tactics

yes fix null sec .. remove titan bridge and No more titan bridge To low sec with 200 people on it

To fix the boredrom of null sec they have to cut this structure bashing thing for good

IMHO...that's an easy fix. Get rid of station lockouts for FW.



Was never for this, still not, and never will be. There are other ways to give benefits/repercussions for occupancy status to still give it meaning without this moronic, singular mechanic.

Ok I see this as more of a spectrum then clearly one or the other. CCP intended plexing to be pvp, I know this because they said it. But is it working out that way?

XG gained 1.3 mill lp from defensive plexing with an alt in 2 weeks. He says that he only captured 100 plexes to do that. Even so 2000 vp in 2weeks is a very large contribution from any player. If we look at the data from the api dump that likely puts his alt in the top 50 for occupancy gains. Top 50 out of 20,000 active characters goes to an alt. I think if you look at those top 50 for any given day and then look at their killboard for that day you will see most probably are alts.

Now it seems you gain 20 vp even if you are with 100 other people in the plex and therefore only 1% of the reason the plex was captured. But neverthless even though these numbers are skewed that way, you can still look at the top 30 vp gainers or so for a day and see how much pvp they had that day. If you do this you will see that gaining occupancy is not really a pvp game.

Should multiboxing alts be the best way to gain occupancy? If you are fine with that then nothing is wrong. But if you think occupancy should center around exciting pvp combat that most people can't really do well with an alt they are multiboxing, then there is a problem.


I do not think there is really much difference between the fw missions and plexing. You do not need to be a at a certain place at a certain time for plexing any more than for running missions. Timer rollbacks would require you to be at that place at that time. But now you are free to go a system or 2 over open another plex and come back to the first plex you opened a few hours later. Sure the pvper might have closed it but he will have had to sit out all the time your alt ran. (and with the new supertanked rats that might be impossible) In any event your alt will be equally effective as the pvper with his time plexing. CCP should make it so that the best pilots at gaining occupancy also have to be great pvpers.

Reinforcement timers are more pvp than plexes because people will know you need to be there at a certain time. Giving pilots knowledge of where they need to be and when is another way to increase the pvp. I think we should do that but we can just stick to rollbacks in this thread. I am really surprised to see how weak fw players have become to the point that some are hesitant to implement this obvious mechanic.

The LP and VP the alt gained weren't likely to be in systems that were actively being contested. The real problem, as I see it is that the tier system is really rough on people in tier one and the current plex mechanics (rat speed, their annoying durability, ect) and militia populations (everyone wants to be a winner, I get it) make it very difficult to push out from that tier. The alts are going to be there dplexing in one form or another, but they don't matter because if the system they are plexing is actively being pushed there isn't much they can do and they are not the best way to try and hold a system.

A lot of the comments I have seen about animal plexers and alts seem to paint a picture of dudes in back end systems that neither side actively wants to take. If I am wrong, I am sorry, but I just don't see how an unfit ship could hold a plex in a system were an active pilot wanted to be. And if you're that worried about it you could always put a DPS check in dplexes, just call it an enemy rat trying to cap the plex.

Some side notes, if you want timer based combat go to null or bash some POCOs or POS. The current plex system favours groups who have pilots that regularly log in and undock, timers only favour dudes who read an email and set an alarm. Also they are really boring. Issues with timezone coverage is separate entirely.
For timer roll backs, I could live with it if there was a delay. An immediate roll back would be too punitive of players (mains or alts) who have to leave a plex for any reason and would only serve to make plexing even more of a grind.
I would like to see the tier system leveled a little more. Essentially, just make tier one be the base line and each tier after that a bonus off the amount in the first tier.
I feel Awoxing is a common enough problem that it needs to be punished more aggressively. Suspect timers and larger standings hits for friendly fire are a start, adjusting how a player corp standings are calculated toward their militia to not give active Awoxers a week to grind standings would be a good idea too, and remove the standing hit if the target you kill in your militia has a suspect flag.
I think that corporations should gain LP or something from the work their pilots do for militia, something along the lines of an LP tax maybe.

I'm not sure why fixing null sec will lead to null sec players to take their alts out of fw.

It seems to me making FW a game that is best played with your main (as opposed to with alts) is the way to drive alts out of fw.

I couldn't agree more. You counter plexing alt rabbits by - creating your own plexing alt rabbits. If that is how you want to spend your time then you will be happy with the game. If not then you might want to see the mechanics that favor plexing alt rabbits change.

The same is true with off grid boosting. Create your own alt that does nothing but sit in a safe spot and boost you.

The question for ccp is how desperate to continue playing eve do you think we are? At what point will players start to say no f that I have other things to do with my time?




What percent of the 20,000 characters in fw do you think are mains versus alts?

Are there any impeachment or recall bylaws for the CSM? This dude is a numpty who can't even properly declare war.

This is one of my major issues with smart bombing in Faction Warfare. It's a perfectly legitimate tactic in order to deal with drone boat heavy doctrines, but doing so results in huge standings hits, and heaven forbid you accidently pod a friendly militia member because they die during the smartbomb fleet. That'll take you all the way down to -5 from +9.

Maybe remove the LP bonus to def plexing while in higher teirs. Defensive plexing (minimal risk as in most are alts in warp stabbed frigates) should not ever be bonused based on the current tier. The reward is far greater than the risk. The LP bonuses should still apply to offensive plexing because there is risk and active piloting involved.

TLDR Defensive Plex payout should be a set amount based on the size of site. No LP bonuses should be applied from being a higher tier. Down with AFK farming alts and in with more active pilots.

It's still too high for a 1hr old alt that can complete the plex in a 20k ISK ship (Navitas) with a free clone.

I'd support a decrease on rewards for d-plexing when at high tiers like that. Say d-plexing stays at T2 rewards no matter how high you go?








Also, I really really REALLY love how people assume deplexing and oplexing alts didn't exist before the recent expansion. Were they just so ingrained before that people didn't realize how much back and forth plexing we had to do just to keep systems stable?