These forums have been archived and are now read-only.

The new forums are live and can be found at https://forums.eveonline.com/

Warfare & Tactics

 
  • Topic is locked indefinitely.
 

All join gal mil?

First post
Author
Silverbackyererse
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#81 - 2014-08-25 22:40:21 UTC
Congratulations Fedo's. Job's nearly done!

Crosi, why did you vanish from Ladistier about an hour after downtime last night when you were challenged to a 1v1 in your Garmur? I logged off very disappointed. Lol

Terhiss
United Mining and Hauling Inc
The Initiative.
#82 - 2014-08-25 23:21:58 UTC
chatgris wrote:


Having said that, I'm proud of what Gal mil has accomplished over the years (this isn't a pat on my back, the latter 3 years hasn't really involved me). We've held against a numerically superior force for many, many years and kept trucking even when things looked bleak.

Just thought I'd toss in some congrats before my sub runs out in this game in a few months and I probably quit for good.

o/ Gallente



Hi, how you doing. Can I have some of your stuff?

Crosi Wesdo
War and Order
#83 - 2014-08-25 23:36:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Crosi Wesdo
chatgris wrote:
Kimmy Blossom wrote:
So as I said above, the reward are way too good for how little it takes. No one wants to join the losing side and these said players are only here for the ISK. They need to change the mentality from "join FW to afk farm billions" to "join FW for PVP regardless of the rewards". It can only be done by nerfing the rewards to the ground or giving lot of LPs for killing a FW target.



I agree with most of your post, except for the "no one wants to join the losing side" part. If the system allowed us to, I would have probably moved QCATS over to the Caldari militia sometime after Gallente captured every single system. Being on the losing side in FW is the most fun this game has to offer IMO (up there with wardeccing brave newbies when they lived in lowsec).

Having said that, I'm proud of what Gal mil has accomplished over the years (this isn't a pat on my back, the latter 3 years hasn't really involved me). We've held against a numerically superior force for many, many years and kept trucking even when things looked bleak.

Just thought I'd toss in some congrats before my sub runs out in this game in a few months and I probably quit for good.

PS: Robocraft is an amazing game for any eve bittervets like myself who really enjoyed the EFT/pvp side of this game. If only I could combine something as customizable as robocraft in a sandbox MMO like eve it'd be awesome. (Oh, and I'd ******* give plexs timer rollbacks so that fighting is actually more efficient for sov than running, but I'll resist filling this post with CCP raging).

o/ Gallente


Thats how you peace out! Bon voyage chat, you are a legend!

Silverbackyererse wrote:
Congratulations Fedo's. Job's nearly done!

Crosi, why did you vanish from Ladistier about an hour after downtime last night when you were challenged to a 1v1 in your Garmur? I logged off very disappointed. Lol



I dont and never will accept arranged fights or 1v1, the hunt is almost all of the fun, the kill is a technicality based entirely on a correct hunt.

if you want a 1v1 drop a can outside jita 4-4 like the rest of the spaz' Also, i was inot in a garmur.
Soren Tyrhanos
PIE Inc.
Khimi Harar
#84 - 2014-08-26 01:38:09 UTC
Combatevolved wrote:
X Gallentius wrote:
I hope, that once this historic campaign is completed, the breakaway corporations that form the so-called "Caldari State" will return to the Federation, with full rights and responsibilities therein.



No matter what your ideas may tell you; you and your people are fighting a war of oppression. We have more in common with the Intaki and Mannars than you Gallenteans and your oppressive governments and regimes. You're the evil faction, the Amarr of this war.


Whoa lets calm down a moment here....... that was rather uncalled for don't you think?
Cearain
Plus 10 NV
#85 - 2014-08-26 02:05:48 UTC
Princess Nexxala wrote:
lol! Honestly I really wish I was the bitter prick people like you make me out to be. I really do. Oh what fun that would be...


I also wonder what it would be like.



Crosi Wesdo wrote:


Very serious post, was only expecting squid tears, but some qcats tears is a bonus!

Push has been going on for weeks (with some awesome action) and qcats CEO doesnt even know about it, kinda illustrates how sadly redundant they are....

Aww you are upset, being wrong about something as inconsequential as qcats leadership is understandable. Some great pilots, in a once great corp. Many of the active ones helping with the push, polesmokers right, lol.

If you dont like FW, then its probably time to leave. Hardly anyone would notice.


Qcats is probably the best thing to come out of faction war let alone gallente. But because they are not intimately involved in your latest round of alts orbitting buttons they are inconsequential? Ok.

Sorry to see a few great pvpers are leaving but I certainly understand.

Did gallente "win" again? If so congrats I hope you get another medal and another high five.

Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815

Thanatos Marathon
Moira.
#86 - 2014-08-26 02:13:13 UTC
Confirming, we loves us some cats.
Silverbackyererse
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#87 - 2014-08-26 04:50:22 UTC
Crosi Wesdo wrote:


I dont and never will accept arranged fights or 1v1, the hunt is almost all of the fun, the kill is a technicality based entirely on a correct hunt.


Well............you could come hunt me 1v1 maybe.
You were off like a bucket of prawns in the sun last night.
The last time I saw someone move that fast it was Greg01 when he was confronted with some soap and a flannel in Rakapas many many moons ago.

I suspect you just didn't want to look bad in front of your homies but I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and stop short at calling you a big girls blouse.

Oops! Lol




Baron' Soontir Fel
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#88 - 2014-08-26 04:50:30 UTC
Kimmy Blossom wrote:
Everyone joins the FW just to plex. I never cared for the winner, loser or the ISK income. I was here for the quick fights I could get without having to risk huge ships. My experience was complete crap in both factions. Around 99% of the players would warp away, cloak or burn away from me at 4k+ ms in bullshit fit. At one point, I was so desperate for a fight, I warped my Rifter at 0 on a DD and he bailed out(who the **** does that?).

So as I said above, the reward are way too good for how little it takes. No one wants to join the losing side and these said players are only here for the ISK. They need to change the mentality from "join FW to afk farm billions" to "join FW for PVP regardless of the rewards". It can only be done by nerfing the rewards to the ground or giving lot of LPs for killing a FW target.

Until then, I'd rather just fly in nullsec, it's much easier to get a fight.



Almost everybody in FW knows you're wrong, but nobody has posted about it yet because we all assume that everybody knows that you're wrong.

Fortunately to the brave new EVE pilots out there reading about the glorious Gallente uprising, a bit of advice. FW is a haven for small gang PvP. Everything you need is in FW. Enemies, friendlies, teachers, scumbags, trashtalks, good fights, logistics, safe havens, battlegrounds, and the all supporting ISK to PvP. There's nothing else like it.
X Gallentius
Black Eagle1
#89 - 2014-08-26 06:03:49 UTC
chatgris wrote:
....
Mew!
Crosi Wesdo
War and Order
#90 - 2014-08-26 06:17:08 UTC
Silverbackyererse wrote:
Well............you could come hunt me 1v1 maybe.


i dont even know you, can you even dock in low sec FW space?
Shad owLord
VOLTAGE REGULATORS
#91 - 2014-08-26 10:39:03 UTC
Veskrashen wrote:


My esteemed colleagues in the Gallente Militia learned a great deal from being on the receiving end of CalMil superior numbers. We can only hope that Templis CALSF, GHIOT, OMG, and other combat oriented Caldari Militia corporations can learn as quickly.

It will be interesting to see their inevitable counter assault.



Inevitable - possibly, However I wouldn't hold my breath my friend. The only people left in Calmil these days(and these numbers are rapidly declining) are Pvp'ers and 95% of them have zero interest in plexing under the current system. So 'maybe' one day, but I doubt most of the current crop will be around to participate.

In the meantime - enjoy you warzone success. Smile



Irya Boone
The Scope
#92 - 2014-08-26 10:44:16 UTC
Shad owLord wrote:


In the meantime - enjoy you warzone success. Smile


We won't russians are pushing hard to get their systems back

CCP it's time to remove Off Grid Boost and Put Them on Killmail too, add Logi on killmails .... Open that damn door !!

you shall all bow and pray BoB

Rinai Vero
Blades of Liberty
#93 - 2014-08-26 10:53:11 UTC
Sounds about like GalMil when I joined. Back then tiers only got pushed for cashouts. At least 3/4 of the time CalMil was higher tier than us. When I asked about plexing people told me "We never plex. All we do is kill squids."

A few months later, some of the dudes you've seen posting in this thread organized our first full Warzone push.
greg01
T.R.I.A.D
Ushra'Khan
#94 - 2014-08-26 11:02:39 UTC
Can you guys (gal mil) not hurry up with the 100% control? My alt wants another bs medal for the memories!

Silver, I still have that soap and flannel. Constantly in use. I will whip that big silver arse of yours if I get any more cheek!
Rahelis
Doomheim
#95 - 2014-08-26 13:29:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Rahelis
Guys, after gals won FW - there is only one thing to do about FW.

We need a serious new start.

The current system is so ****** up that it is not worth playing.

We need a four faction FW board - not some CSM crap that does not work.

CCP does not care for us, its players in general or its factions.

And right they are.

Our game is their job.

It is up to us players to come on with some new ways or FW will be total dead.


I, for myself, would unite all fourr milita and wage war on null sex.
Rahelis
Doomheim
#96 - 2014-08-26 13:30:03 UTC
double post
Crosi Wesdo
War and Order
#97 - 2014-08-26 14:00:37 UTC
Rahelis wrote:
Guys, after gals won FW - there is only one thing to do about FW.

We need a serious new start.

The current system is so ****** up that it is not worth playing.

We need a four faction FW board - not some CSM crap that does not work.

CCP does not care for us, its players in general or its factions.

And right they are.

Our game is their job.

It is up to us players to come on with some new ways or FW will be total dead.


I, for myself, would unite all fourr milita and wage war on null sex.


Can i have your stuff?
Cearain
Plus 10 NV
#98 - 2014-08-26 16:20:54 UTC
Rahelis wrote:



I, for myself, would unite all fourr milita and wage war on null sex.



We would get maybe 200 guys in destroyers. I don't think we would do very well against 2000 players in caps and battleships. The other 20,000 in the militias are just alts milking the lp.

Those who play Null Sec Junior blobbery, should not try to play against the varsity blob teams.

Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815

Yuri Antollare
Moira.
#99 - 2014-08-26 17:31:54 UTC
Cearain wrote:
Yuri Antollare wrote:
Cearain wrote:

Irya Boone wrote:
so just kill the alts ...


They just run a system or 2 over and plex there.


How can people that lose at FW ..



All the factions have been winning and losing at faction war since it came out. The basic problem of rabbit plexing has never been addressed. It existed in 2008 when ank posted about capping over 100 plexes in 2 weeks without a kill and it exists now with XG talking about capping 100 plexes with his alt in the same amount of time.

I see with my eyes what happens in the warzone. I see the alts warping off. I see the api statistics and look at the killboards of those who get the most vp for a day. I see that when one side has sufficiently more numbers in a fleet the other side - yes even gallente - stands down. Plenty of my time in huola was spent plexing while gallente/minmatar pilots sat there docked up because they simply didn't have the numbers. When they had the numbers amarr/caldari stood down. I don't need to drink the kool-aid certain people offer on these forums about occupancy proving some sort of pvp prowess. I believe my own eyes more than what I read in the forums.


Numbers mean something of course, but you strip them of all the relevant context that allows them to mean anything valuable.

Your Huola observation is a good example, I was on for that period more than the average, forgive me if I'm wrong but I remember you being in local for a handful of hours towards the last couple of days. Burn Huola was a two week affair to begin with. My timezone (+/- 2/3 hours of DT) was the period where Min/Gal was the most outnumbered, have a look at my killboard, one evening I lost 15 ships in two hours. So you have to understand when a lot of people read your anecdotal viewpoint, blown out to encompass a two week OP, they simply sit there in stunned silence. I will agree however, Amarr suffered horribly from the 'outnumbered so dock' schtick and in my opinion was the number one reason they lost. Again, http://evf-eve.com/services/brcat/ allows a more holistic picture (including a timeline.)

Another example is your fascination with all VP being equal. So what if someone caps 100 plexes? 100 plexes in Kinakka or 100 plexes in Martoh? Does total VP count offer a more illuminating picture on this or don't you care? As others have said, offensive plexing alts (that don't even exist in the most recent iteration) did not take Kinakka, Okkamon, Asakai, Heyd etc. and defensive plexing alts did not keep Sarenemi, Mantenault, Alamel and Raihbaka under control in the backwaters against Calmill PvP entities. But of course without seeing the intel about who is doing what where, and how we responded, how could you know? You must admit the arrogance is slightly breathtaking that you think one metric will give you a brilliant understanding of anything.

You decry FW as being null sec lite and in the same post complain that some random out in the backwater is able to farm unless you put in effort to stop him. If you don't live in a system, or actively patrol it then why shouldn't some dude profit off the area? Why would you prefer to effectively increase force projection in FW by allowing one corp to hold sway over entire regions with for instance timer rollbacks?

Right now the corp I am in 'controls' about 6-7 systems in our area, our activity level is high enough that bot runners and afk plexers long since stopped sending their ships here, a good 90% of the people in plexes in our area lead to PVP. How is this not what we want? Do I have a right to complain that 12 jumps away some dude is making billions of isk, how do I own that area if we're not there long enough to deter him?

You need to stop looking in from the outside, and actually get to a position where you can see how it works in a functioning militia, Gallente get it, we have major home systems spread around the WZ, leaving few areas out of reship distance or control range, but you don't even factor something as basic as where pvpers live in you analysis of how a WZ is controlled or falls. The only thing you consistently prove to people involved in FW is how far removed you really are from the actual game, less spreadsheets and more playing.

Rahelis
Doomheim
#100 - 2014-08-26 20:37:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Rahelis
FW never was null sex light - no nulbear ally would ever be able to hold sov on more than maybe 20 systems if it sov would be like FW.

Imagine station lockouts in null sex - all the nullbears would unsub in fear.

FW attack on null - why destroyers, cerar? My old corp alone could field about 12 caps with 3 or 4 players. In the past there were tons of caps in FW - in the age of BC and BS fights. Every simgle campaign against home systems was cap based - try to move war POSs, fuel and some 500 ships . . .


CCP - in their wisdom - made FW not null sex light but home for newbees - that was the idea behind the age of farming alts.

With FW utterly broken - I do not care.

There is so much more to play in EVE.

Btw, my old corp only attacked huola out of sheer boredom - the lads had the said intention to quit EVE after the campaign - because it is clear that CCP will not fix anything - they simply do not care for FW.

The huola campaign was lost when gals lead and defended huola - without them gals huola would have fell in the end of the first week. Them gals even equipped the minnies with ships - the minnie only had farming ships in huola.


I got some 9 bil only from some stuff some ppl quitting gave me, Crosi. That was only small change.

What do you think do ppl in FW earn in ISK - when they fly dual box high grade slaves in frigs and dessies?