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My friends are too stupid for this game

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Crumplecorn
Eve Cluster Explorations
#21 - 2014-08-25 18:25:40 UTC
Dr Bluntman wrote:
They loved it up until they realized the game doesn't spoonfeed you things to do, and then they all ended up going back to WoW for those flying mounts and to repeat the same exact dungeon instances over and over again.

Pretty sad. I need friends that know how to HTFU.
Maybe you need to realise that not everyone wants the same things out of games?

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Miomeifeng Alduin
Lithonauts Inc.
#22 - 2014-08-25 18:26:59 UTC
Jur Tissant wrote:
Dr Bluntman wrote:
then they all ended up going back to WoW for those flying mounts and to repeat the same exact dungeon instances over and over again.


The (not so) small set of instances which WoW players run every day beats EVE's boring mission grind hands-down. WoW PVE is a mile ahead of EVE's.

This is a sandbox game. There's nothing wrong with wanting a game with more direction or a clearer path of progression. There's nothing wrong with not liking a game and it certainly doesn't make you "stupid".


This can't be emphasised enough. Just because someone has a different idea for a hobby, doesn't make them stupid or lazy or anything like that. It's a game, a hobby, which you use to relax.
Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#23 - 2014-08-25 18:27:30 UTC
Jur Tissant wrote:
Dr Bluntman wrote:
then they all ended up going back to WoW for those flying mounts and to repeat the same exact dungeon instances over and over again.


The (not so) small set of instances which WoW players run every day beats EVE's boring mission grind hands-down. WoW PVE is a mile ahead of EVE's.

This is a sandbox game. There's nothing wrong with wanting a game with more direction or a clearer path of progression. There's nothing wrong with not liking a game and it certainly doesn't make you "stupid".


It does if you keep paying for something that doesn't have what you like.
Pix Severus
Empty You
#24 - 2014-08-25 18:29:56 UTC
If they can't play without being spoonfed, you either have to let them go or spoonfeed them yourself.

If you had a clear goal in mind for what you wanted to achieve with your corp and if you gave your friends specific tasks you wanted them to complete over days/weeks/months, you'd probably still be playing with them.

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Sibyyl
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#25 - 2014-08-25 18:33:43 UTC


Gee, I wonder if these people know what their "friend" thinks about them..

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Paranoid Loyd
#26 - 2014-08-25 18:37:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Paranoid Loyd
Sibyyl wrote:
Gee, I wonder if these people know what their "friend" thinks about them..

Forrest Gump wrote:
Stupid is as stupid does

I have plenty of people I consider friends that are stupid (they earn this designation by constantly doing stupid things) but that doesn't mean they are not my friends.

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Yarda Black
The Black Redemption
#27 - 2014-08-25 18:38:44 UTC
Didn't want those friends anyway

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BoBoZoBo
MGroup9
#28 - 2014-08-25 18:51:26 UTC  |  Edited by: BoBoZoBo
Nothing elitist about it. Just different gameplay desires.

I have a lot of smart gamer friends who could "handle" EVE, they just don't feel like "handling" a game. EVE does have to be managed to a larger degree than most games and some perfectly capable people just do not feel like doing that with their limited game time.

Someone here on the forums one called EVE not just a game, but a hobby, I think that is a pretty accurate way to view EVE in many regards. It is a good way to explain the game to people, and a good way to understand why some do not want to devote time to it.

With that being said... yes, it does require a certain level of... ability.

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Gallente Federation
#29 - 2014-08-25 18:55:38 UTC
Jur Tissant wrote:
Dr Bluntman wrote:
then they all ended up going back to WoW for those flying mounts and to repeat the same exact dungeon instances over and over again.


The (not so) small set of instances which WoW players run every day beats EVE's boring mission grind hands-down. WoW PVE is a mile ahead of EVE's.


But in EVE someone can aggress you in that warm feel good PVE bubble at any time.
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#30 - 2014-08-25 18:57:18 UTC
I wonder if the ratio of autistic to neurotypical gamers could be matched up to people who play Eve and those who "went back" to WoW?


The spectrum has a wide range though, and I would even wonder if say someone who only scores high 20s on the Aspergers test (not as typical as your average sponge you find in a sports bar) is a casual gamer compared to a total 50 score player who min-maxes 10 hours a day and goes into explosive frothing rage if they are disturbed.


Yeah I know these would be hard questions about the player base, and fraught with potential for trolling and such, but I seriously wonder this as often the "kind of player" we deal with often is a subject on these forums. In a solipsistic manner we tend to think that everything we are after in the game personally is the same thing that everybody else is after but in practice the results are not what we expect. Surely there's a conflict between those who think "PVP game means blow sh!t up" versus those who go total blogarrhea mode if some module gets nerfed and their stats/ISK drop one percent.


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Tyrone Arran
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#31 - 2014-08-25 19:08:18 UTC
While the game is complex, there are still plenty of stupid people that play it. Otherwise, dumb scams like isk-doubling would not be as profitable as they are. Of coarse this says something about greed too.

It really comes down to your friends' interests. Some will never like Eve for its Sandbox style. Others need to have a little bit of help before they get hooked. Often this can be helped greatly by finding a corp that matches their interests.

If they leave because they think they can not 'catch up' to someone who as played for years, then they need to be educated as to why that is not the case. Only so much SP is used to fly a particular ship, and often the outcome of a battle is the pilots' knowledge of the ships they are flying and the ships they are engaging.
Sibyyl
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#32 - 2014-08-25 20:10:35 UTC
Paranoid Loyd wrote:
Sibyyl wrote:
Gee, I wonder if these people know what their "friend" thinks about them..

Forrest Gump wrote:
Stupid is as stupid does

I have plenty of people I consider friends that are stupid (they earn this designation by constantly doing stupid things) but that doesn't mean they are not my friends.


Bah, I feel this way too. Why do you people make me say not-nice things??

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University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#33 - 2014-08-25 20:11:19 UTC
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
Jake Warbird wrote:
Dr Bluntman wrote:
Not an EVE Is dying thread at all. Reading comprehension people!

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Herzyr
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#34 - 2014-08-25 20:37:18 UTC
Oh this thread, it reminds me so much of myself. I sometimes think I am too stupid to play EvE but then I realized playing other themepark mmos makes me feel even more stupid. Is it the community or the mechanics?

I think this is around the 3rd time I've quit EvE but I've come back again for a 3rd time.... Hope it's worth it again... The MMO market is getting very very stale..
Slade Trillgon
Brutor Force Federated
#35 - 2014-08-25 21:09:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Slade Trillgon
Pix Severus wrote:
If they can't play without being spoonfed, you either have to let them go or spoonfeed them yourself.

If you had a clear goal in mind for what you wanted to achieve with your corp and if you gave your friends specific tasks you wanted them to complete over days/weeks/months, you'd probably still be playing with them.



Quoted for the mother ******* truth. To all those that said the OP needed to get knew friends; that almost sounds like something that would come from someone with little to no friends. That is not a purposeful slight, even though it sounds exactly like one, just saying what it sounds like.

Not all people are created with the same tastes or interests. Diversity is what makes a circle of friends the most enjoyable, imho. We can not really knock someone, that wants the ultimate mindlessness for their recreational activity, for playing WoW. You can not really go wrong with WoW if that is what one is looking for. It is the king of that empire as far as many are concerned.

It is ultimately the OP's lack of vision that did not keep his friends around. If he is a good friend I am sure he could coax at least one of them back, if he is set to keep them intrigued.
Xercodo
Cruor Angelicus
#36 - 2014-08-25 21:13:38 UTC
Sibyyl wrote:
Paranoid Loyd wrote:
Sibyyl wrote:
Gee, I wonder if these people know what their "friend" thinks about them..

Forrest Gump wrote:
Stupid is as stupid does

I have plenty of people I consider friends that are stupid (they earn this designation by constantly doing stupid things) but that doesn't mean they are not my friends.


Bah, I feel this way too. Why do you people make me say not-nice things??


Do I need to do some nice things to you so that you have nice things to say about me?

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Miomeifeng Alduin
Lithonauts Inc.
#37 - 2014-08-25 21:26:28 UTC
Slade Trillgon wrote:
Pix Severus wrote:
If they can't play without being spoonfed, you either have to let them go or spoonfeed them yourself.

If you had a clear goal in mind for what you wanted to achieve with your corp and if you gave your friends specific tasks you wanted them to complete over days/weeks/months, you'd probably still be playing with them.



Quoted for the mother ******* truth. To all those that said the OP needed to get knew friends; that almost sounds like something that would come from someone with little to no friends. That is not a purposeful slight, even though it sounds exactly like one, just saying what it sounds like.

Not all people are created with the same tastes or interests. Diversity is what makes a circle of friends the most enjoyable, imho. We can not really knock someone, that wants the ultimate mindlessness for their recreational activity, for playing WoW. You can not really go wrong with WoW if that is what one is looking for. It is the king of that empire as far as many are concerned.

It is ultimately the OP's lack of vision that did not keep his friends around. If he is a good friend I am sure he could coax at least one of them back, if he is set to keep them intrigued.


If you need to coax someone back constantly, and keep him intrigued, and do things constantly for the person not to leave the game, there is another problem. You might need to just accept that people have different intrests and respect eachother's intrests that some games aren't for them, just like others aren't for you.

While i like playing with friends, if i'd have to constantly keep them occupied in a game i'd feel i wasn't playing a game but creating a game for them. This would seriously cut into my own relaxation (the reason i play games :p).
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#38 - 2014-08-25 22:25:00 UTC
Your friends are the smart ones. Bear

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Val'Dore
PlanetCorp InterStellar
#39 - 2014-08-25 22:34:08 UTC
You aren't truly an EvE player until you have to dumb yourself down when you log off. Assuming you want any kind of social life.

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Vyl Vit
#40 - 2014-08-25 23:41:41 UTC
We have a lot of players with YEARS of experience that are too stupid to play this game. Cool

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