Warfare & Tactics

yes it's broken, just not in the way you are whinging about. There is no CCP favoritism. However,

The tier system needs some radical rethinking. It encourages farmers to gravitate to whoever gets the upperhand, thus perpetuating an advantage of the faction that is ahead atm. Essentially it is a feedback loop. Not the best structure for a perpetual war/struggle. At the very least some more tweaking needs to be done to the lp payouts and tier effects on them. Maybe this second wiping of all the systems by us will wake up the devs to the built in stupidity of the current system.

That being said, when you guys were up and steam farming us hard, we held off your pvp attemps on our home systems. This is something you guys haven't figured out how to do yet. Maybe next time.

No one denied having alts. Just corrected you since you seem to believe people still capture systems with them and their d-plexing capabilities somehow fend off a determined assault.

In a way deplexing alts have ensured that every single system taken is done with some sort of pvp capable force.

Now, continue to entertain us with your presupposed grievances with a mechanic you try very hard to misunderstand.

so just kill the alts ...

Even google translate isn't helping me understand this post.

I don't think I've yet seen a galmil fleet with 200 members, and that's in 2 and half years in galmil. So it appears you are just pulling a number out of your ass. Anyway, Caldari always had more characters until recently. And for a long time they could put together some rather large blobs (better than us in US prime even). Blobbage is all relative. But please 200, more like always less than 100 on either side is more accurate.


Gathering forces together, blobbage if you will, is necessary to contest a home system. How the Caldari got to their last remaining system again is a combination of the tier lp payout feedback loop inducing farmers to plex mostly for the side that already has an advantage, and the better ability of Galmil to pvp siege Caldari home systems. One of these factors CCP can address. The other is out of their hands.

CCP could rp some mechanic whereby once a militia gains an upperhand and invades the other faction FW space maybe the Dust fights get harder. Call it civilian resistance aiding the defending Dust militia. Repelling the invaders. Theres one way CCP could put some built in brakes on the current inevitable down to out process.

CCP could change the lp payouts again to favor dplexing, but only in the traditional own faction regions. Or something else, it really doesn't matter. They could put some built in brakes. LP is an npc construct. All sorts of ways then to mess with it's accumulation under the guise of rp/back story.

Hopefully this current conquest will convince CCP to do something again with lp/tiers/plexes/missions to bring a dynamic stability that really we all want. While it is smugly satisfying to take the entire warzone, actually, all of us would rather have more exciting fights against calmil than against opportunistic bored nullsec or pirate interlopers.

If you are having major issues with recruiting in Tier 1 to compete from a PVP or FW control perspective, then you are trying to recruit the wrong kind of players. Most PVP pilots like targets, especially ones they generally don't have to fly far to find.

I meant total participants including all militias that join to fight in a system and neutrals that might join. Yes I was being charitable. The blob warfare is more like "baby null sec" than "null sec junior." The reason we don't get those sorts of numbers despite having 20,000 in faction war is because faction war is currently a game for alts.

But my point is still the same get the numbers to pile in a single system long enough and you win. Even if we had 2000 people fighting for a system it still would just be mirroring null sec. IMO FW should involve a different form of pvp.

And your saying Caldari had more characters is irrelevant. When there are only 200 showing up for a fight who cares if one militia has 5,500 and the other only has 5000? Very few are in it for the pvp because its not really a pvp system.



I agree blobbage - gathering forces and putting them in one system is key to the current system. But home systems are irrelevant. to the tier system.



Gallente can get a bigger blob in a single system to take the system. Then they have a larger number of alts to hold those systems. That is all there is to it.

The system is not that unbalanced it's just that if you aren't interested in having multiple alts rabbit plexing the game has no interest. Amarr had allot of systems and they are losing them to oplexers. Gallente just had a few large pushes but most systems became contested and fell because no one from caldari or amarr really wanted to multibox a bunch of defensive plexing alts. Well at least one guy did for amarr but I hear he biomassed his character.

Make the occupancy game pvp and you make if fun. Most pvpers don't care whether they get an extra 500lp plexing for one side or the other. Nor do they care if they get some medal of high five from a dev. Does plexing bring about exciting fights? If yes they will do it. Actually allot more people will plex if it did that. But it doesn't. Plexing is most efficiently done in a system where no enemy even knows your there and if one happens to wander in your best avenue for occupancy is to simply warp out and start another plex in the next system. Come back to the plex later and it will be right were you left it because pvpers aren't interested in the current occupancy game.

As far as balance:

Capturing large plexes for amarr you get 2 million in tags for each npc killed. Thats about 120 mill per hour. (assuming you kill one per minute) So even if you lose time on the plex you still wont drop below that. You can easilly do this in a stabbed shield tanked vexor. Then when you capture the plex you get 30k lp at tier 2. That will get you about 3k isk per lp. So its not the case that the rewards are too slanted.

I think the tides will change. But they will likely change because people in gallente will find better things to do with their lives than sit rabbit alts in plexes. Most normal people get burnt out on that. After Gallente got there first medal we heard many of the pvpers happy that was over and glad to get back to pvp. (and kills went up allot after the plexing campaign) It's a rare bird that keeps at occupancy plexing for a long time. In sum the tides will change because the game is too boring for most people to keep at it.

All the factions have been winning and losing at faction war since it came out. The basic problem of rabbit plexing has never been addressed. It existed in 2008 when ank posted about capping over 100 plexes in 2 weeks without a kill and it exists now with XG talking about capping 100 plexes with his alt in the same amount of time.

I see with my eyes what happens in the warzone. I see the alts warping off. I see the api statistics and look at the killboards of those who get the most vp for a day. I see that when one side has sufficiently more numbers in a fleet the other side - yes even gallente - stands down. Plenty of my time in huola was spent plexing while gallente/minmatar pilots sat there docked up because they simply didn't have the numbers. When they had the numbers amarr/caldari stood down. I don't need to drink the kool-aid certain people offer on these forums about occupancy proving some sort of pvp prowess. I believe my own eyes more than what I read in the forums.

Actually, I think most of those participating weren't around the last time.

All I can smell at the moment is bitter. Lighten up a bit :p