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DDOS Queries

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Bohneik Itohn
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#41 - 2014-08-24 04:55:10 UTC
Desimus Maximus wrote:
New round of DDoS incoming.. WoW, LoL, Twitch, and Hearthstone all hit in last 30 min.


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Glathull
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#42 - 2014-08-24 05:06:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Glathull
Amhra Rho wrote:

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For those of you that understand that neither Amazon.com nor Microsoft.com have gone done, are highly likely to never go down, and recognize that we're all still waiting for evidence to the contrary from the opposition, join me for a beer.



I think you are the kind of person who didn't feel a slight twinge when the Oxford English Dictionary added a new definition under the word 'literally' to allow the use of the word to mean 'figuratively'.

If that's not clear, then let me put it this way: the way that you use and abuse words and sweep the actual meanings under the rug when it's convenient for you implies to me that you are not a clear, careful thinker. It undermines your credibility. It causes me to question the rigor you apply to things like finding evidence to support your argument, interpreting that evidence, and yes, it causes me to wonder if you really know what you are doing when you actually create that argument.

The semantics and word games are important here because--whether you realize it or not--your point rests on the idea that the word 'never' actually means 'almost never'. Those two things are not the same idea.

The fact of the matter is that if you say that Amazon and Microsoft almost never go down due to DDoS, then you have a precisely equivalent situation with EvE. EvE almost never goes down due to DDoS. That's a matter of numbers and statistics that don't really have much to do with opinion. By any reasonable definition, EvE almost never falls over from DDoS. I don't know the exact numbers for 'unexpected downtime due to bandwidth overflow' for EvE, and I don't know what those numbers are for Amazon or any other major web service provider. But I would bet that they are similar. It almost never happens.

So what we have here is a situation where your sloppy definition of the word 'never' is the sole basis for claiming that a problem exists at all. In my opinion, this is a crap-tastic way of defining a problem. You don't want Tippia to care about words because using a specific word the way it was intended completely eviscerates your point. In a situation like this, I'm always going to agree with Tippia. Though there are things about which we don't always agree. Frankly, I think there are probably things I'm saying in this post that Tippia will disagree with. Because that's how it goes.

The bottom line so far is that the meaning of words is far more important than you suggest.

The rest of the problem with what you are saying in this thread and many others is that few--and I mean 'almost no one' (see what I did there, where I qualified an absolute statement to allow for the fact that some truly incompetent people exist? Yeah, that's credibility gold, baby.)--people who have even a tangential interaction with network security for web apps and services think of DDoS in the way that you do.

A web service is a nail, and anyone with sufficient motivation can find or create or rent or buy a hammer big enough to smack it for a while. That is a f****** fact. Anyone who says otherwise is completely and totally full of marketing crap from companies who sell snake oil and anti-malware stuff.

I don't think you are a network security person. You've hinted in other threads that you do this professionally, but I don't think that's the truth.

I'm a backend software developer for a company that does payments processing. When you buy stuff online, there's a reasonable chance that my code helps get money out of your bank account and into the seller's bank account. When you get a paycheck direct deposited into your bank, that's actually more than likely to be us.

We have network security people, and I work closely with them. When our systems go down (which is ALMOST NEVER), we have to figure that stuff out. EvE is a game. People's paychecks are serious business.

Those are my creds. I'm calling BS on every aspect of what it is that you are claiming about DDoS. I work with and around DDoS every day of my professional life. I think you are full of self-serving, mis, dis, or un -informed junk. I think that you are straight up making things up about this situation, and I think you should just shut the **** up.


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edited because I omitted a demonstrative pronoun.

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