Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Quoting outdated CCP statements is.
No one at CCP is talking about nerfing T3s to the ground anymore.

1) Battleships suck in general
2) T3s are better at WHs than battleships because of mass constraints.

Also, T3s are more expensive than BSs.

They could still amke only a few nerfs and still follow that graph tho...

Good luck doing that and still keeping them useful in WH space while competing with pirate and faction ships.

Eh, you're not even trying to be creative with the trolling anymore. Add something to the discussion or stop derailing things.

Baltec is actually right, a T3 is suppose to be in between a T2 and a T1. They are suppose to do everything a T2 can do, just not as well. Where as a T2 can do one job of the T3's really really well.


Basically, T2=specialization T3=Generalization


So one T3 can be a Ewar ship, then switch over to a Logi ship then switch out to scout ship, and then switch out to an attack ship. But it never will do anything of those jobs as well has the T2 which is made for the role.

IE: A ECMgu shouldn't be as a good as a Falcon, Or a Standard PvP fitted Proteus should be good, but not as good as a Demios or a Ishtar. So on and so forth. That was the first ideal of the T3's in the first place. You can even see that idea in the Subsystems, like how the Tengu has a subsystem for Rails and Missiles, (Cerb/Eagle) A ECM sub (Falcon) and the logi subsystem (Basi). Every idea of the T2 line of ships is in the T3's.


However getting all that to work, whilst keeping them W-Space effective. Would be a challenge.

Except for HAC, with the right subsystems T3 are like HAC on steroids.
Logi and Recon I agree.

The one with T3's are worse than T2's and Pirate hulls and Pirate hulls are better than T2's but less specialised (sic!) what does it mean anyway?

T3's must be rebalance in their class first. Then nerfed to the level of T2's. To choose role of T2 not to be worse than one. Why anyone want to use multirole ships? We have multirole Nestor.

T3 ships that use T2 modules kinda makes the point of T3's being unique void and irrelevant.


T3 Modules for the T3 Strategic Cruisers should be very expensive to purchase. The based price of a T3 Medium Electron Blaster would be around 10 million ISK per turret with each incremental tier of blaster turret having a cost of two to three million ISK per turret depending upon what Meta Level the T3 turret actually is. T3 Modules would start out at Metal Level five and increase from this point in their attributes

T3 Modules would of course only be able to be fit to T3 Cruisers and would come with bonuses based upon the module type that would then be based off of pilot skills.

The new T3 Module Skills required would be Defensive Subsystems Specilization, Electronic Subsystems Specilization, Engineering Subsystems Specilization, Offensive Subsystems Specilization, Propulsion Subsystems Specilization


For example a T3 Metal Level 5 Medium Electron Blaster would have a 5% reduced capacity need per level of Gallente Offensive Subsystems Specialization trained. Another T3 Bonus could be an increase to optimal range, falloff and tracking.

Such bonuses would be built into the module but unless the skill is trained the attributes would not be activated. In order to activate the optimal range bonus for the T3 Metal Level Medium Ion Blaster you would need to train the GOSS to level one. Each level of GOSS trained after level one would add an additional 1000 meters of optimal range up to 5000 meters at level five for the T3 Ion Blaster.

Some t3's conigs make this harder to do than going off of t2 based rebalancing to start.

I'd be looking at hybrid proteus and tengu. These can't be balanced in t3 then t2 imo. They;d have to go straight to t2. Galltente has the not always loved diemost. Caldari has the not always loved eagle. Getting both hybrids balances as t3 a pita....then fitting that square peg into a round hole more "fun".

The fun being as part of th plan is keeping t2 appealing. Which diemost and eagle have issues with now. Eagle especially, its not like the hybrid tengu is much better than it. IF hybrid tengu balance at t3...it would then be much better. And we'd have a great hybrid tengu that then got slapped hard to not make eagle look bad. TBH...I'd prefer if this ccp's path in mind, lets just get the eagle based rebalance done. Why get my hopes only to dash them.