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Anti-frigate ship?
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JonnyRandom
#1 - 2011-12-08 22:33:11 UTC
What's a good ship to eat frigates and similarly-sized hulls (AFs, destroyers, maybe interceptors) alive? I know the Caracal is good for that, but I don't really have any missile skills. So while I'm training up missiles, what's another good ship for that?

Any help would be appreciated.
Mike712
Tenth Plague of Egypt
#2 - 2011-12-08 22:38:44 UTC
Destroyers, any of them pretty much, coercer is not really an option due to only 1 med slot, but the thrasher is really great.

Or any ship with a med/large neut will give frigs something to think about.

Regards, Mike712 The BattleClinic Team
Captain Nares
O3 Corporation
#3 - 2011-12-08 22:40:34 UTC
Almost anything cruiser-sized or bigger can be fitted into antifrig trap. Like triplweb celestis with small guns, etc.
The only problem is that the only tactics available is more or less passive baiting.
Duchess Starbuckington
Doomheim
#4 - 2011-12-08 23:00:53 UTC
Any destroyer bar the Coercer, and like Nares said pretty much any cruiser can do the job if fitted right.
Asuka Smith
StarHunt
#5 - 2011-12-08 23:06:22 UTC
425mm autocannons with a single te. But for missiles? How about a caracal with assault missiles.
Lunkwill Khashour
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#6 - 2011-12-08 23:20:50 UTC
- Ashimmu = neuts and 90% web
- Smartbombing BS
William Walker
Dark Venture Corporation
Kitchen Sinkhole
#7 - 2011-12-09 13:49:17 UTC
The coercer is viable, because people usually engage thinking "hoho no mid" then forget to warp away when they aren't pointed and die. True story, had it happen a few times.

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JonnyRandom
#8 - 2011-12-09 14:24:38 UTC
So destroyers are good against frigates now? Since they removed the rof penalty?
What about a ship that can take on frigates and destroyers? Would an arty thrasher work?
Grimpak
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#9 - 2011-12-09 14:37:00 UTC
AML caracal
upping the ante, AML navy caracal (that has frigate-like agility btw).

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Takeshi Yamato
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#10 - 2011-12-09 14:48:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Takeshi Yamato
Best anti frigate ship solo is one that frig pilots view as easy kill or not really threatening. So I would recommend Coercer since everyone in this thread thinks it sucks. Fit for max dps and range, overheat guns and disruptor and hope the frig pilot overextended himself. Caracal should work also if you're more missile focused.

In gangs try any long range fit destroyer.
Vachir Khan
Rugged Ruff and Ready
#11 - 2011-12-09 15:05:39 UTC
JonnyRandom wrote:
So destroyers are good against frigates now? Since they removed the rof penalty?
What about a ship that can take on frigates and destroyers? Would an arty thrasher work?


Destroyers were always good against frigates. Arty thrash can work if you armor tank it with a web but really fast frigs will cause issues short range.
Khrage
#12 - 2011-12-09 15:14:46 UTC
Lunkwill Khashour wrote:
- Ashimmu = neuts and 90% web
- Smartbombing BS


confirming ashimmu eats frigates.

basically all responses are good answers. and if you're in a fleet the coercer is a great anti-frigate gun platform. just have a buddy with a point or web or bubble, etc. and one that hasn't been mentioned that my buddy flys all the time, the Huginn. web bonus snags frigates.
Sphit Ker
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#13 - 2011-12-09 16:51:33 UTC
Lemme stick my neck out and think outside the box a little. Battleships with "small" weaponry. It sounds silly and dumb, and it is, but stick with me a little....

When you jump a plain regular everyday normal BS into a frigate gang. One or more of this will happen:
1) They will get under your guns and kill you slowly but surely,
2) They will show concerns for smartbombs and hang out outside of 6km,
3) You are an obvious bait and they burn away.

You are in a Battleship. You can outlast any frigates even without bonus to small weaponry of any kind or any tank at all. It's easy to fit some buffer tank and be ewar heavy. Tackling gear up the wazzoo 'cause you are going to get scrammed anyhow so screw prop mods. Max tracking computers and webs and points and TP and all that good stuff.

You just won't need any "bonus", really. Beat them at their game. They will want to be where it's best for them but in this case THAT is where you WANT them to be.

3x heavy neuts, scram, 2x webs and Medium Pulse IIs armageddon with hobbies out? It's got to worth a shot. (Just don't get killed 'cause that will look bad)

Right?

It knows what you think.
Marcus Henik
Rules of Acquisition
#14 - 2011-12-09 17:38:38 UTC
Neut domi is pretty good, but its a bit skill intensive.
Exploited Engineer
Creatively Applied Violence Inc.
#15 - 2011-12-09 21:13:35 UTC
Grimpak wrote:
AML caracal
upping the ante, AML navy caracal (that has frigate-like agility btw).


Osprey Navy Issue, since it might provoke a "lol osprey" thought from inexperienced frigate pilots.
Michus Danether
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#16 - 2011-12-09 22:18:26 UTC
Sphit Ker wrote:
Lemme stick my neck out and think outside the box a little. Battleships with "small" weaponry. It sounds silly and dumb, and it is, but stick with me a little....

When you jump a plain regular everyday normal BS into a frigate gang. One or more of this will happen:
1) They will get under your guns and kill you slowly but surely,
2) They will show concerns for smartbombs and hang out outside of 6km,
3) You are an obvious bait and they burn away.

You are in a Battleship. You can outlast any frigates even without bonus to small weaponry of any kind or any tank at all. It's easy to fit some buffer tank and be ewar heavy. Tackling gear up the wazzoo 'cause you are going to get scrammed anyhow so screw prop mods. Max tracking computers and webs and points and TP and all that good stuff.

You just won't need any "bonus", really. Beat them at their game. They will want to be where it's best for them but in this case THAT is where you WANT them to be.

3x heavy neuts, scram, 2x webs and Medium Pulse IIs armageddon with hobbies out? It's got to worth a shot. (Just don't get killed 'cause that will look bad)

Right?


You want a scorpion for that.

Neuts, guns, missiles, smartbomb up top
8 slots for tackle in mids, easy to put 3x web, 2x scramble 1x disrupter, x1 ECM Burst
Lowslots for luls.
Michus Danether
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#17 - 2011-12-09 22:22:01 UTC
Exploited Engineer wrote:
Grimpak wrote:
AML caracal
upping the ante, AML navy caracal (that has frigate-like agility btw).


Osprey Navy Issue, since it might provoke a "lol osprey" thought from inexperienced frigate pilots.


Even a regular Osprey if fit for combat with proper grown up combat skills would be able to mop up any t1 frigate.

High:
3x medium AC
1x medium neut

Mid:
2x Web
1x Scrambler
1x AB

1x Heavy plate,
1x DCU
1x gyrostab maybe?

4x Hobgoblins T2

Frig comes in, luls at an easy miner kill and then gets a smackdown.

Mind you this would not work against anything bigger then a frigate. :3
Bootleg Jack
ACME Mineral and Gas
#18 - 2011-12-10 00:56:38 UTC
Michus Danether wrote:
Sphit Ker wrote:
Lemme stick my neck out and think outside the box a little. Battleships with "small" weaponry. It sounds silly and dumb, and it is, but stick with me a little....

When you jump a plain regular everyday normal BS into a frigate gang. One or more of this will happen:
1) They will get under your guns and kill you slowly but surely,
2) They will show concerns for smartbombs and hang out outside of 6km,
3) You are an obvious bait and they burn away.

You are in a Battleship. You can outlast any frigates even without bonus to small weaponry of any kind or any tank at all. It's easy to fit some buffer tank and be ewar heavy. Tackling gear up the wazzoo 'cause you are going to get scrammed anyhow so screw prop mods. Max tracking computers and webs and points and TP and all that good stuff.

You just won't need any "bonus", really. Beat them at their game. They will want to be where it's best for them but in this case THAT is where you WANT them to be.

3x heavy neuts, scram, 2x webs and Medium Pulse IIs armageddon with hobbies out? It's got to worth a shot. (Just don't get killed 'cause that will look bad)

Right?


You want a scorpion for that.

Neuts, guns, missiles, smartbomb up top
8 slots for tackle in mids, easy to put 3x web, 2x scramble 1x disrupter, x1 ECM Burst
Lowslots for luls.


I've often wondered if a short range fit idea like this would be fun to jump into lowsec gate camps on purpose...

I'm an American, English is my second language...
JonnyRandom
#19 - 2011-12-10 01:52:20 UTC
Thanks for the replies, guys, some helpful ideas here for me for the future, but right now anything that's larger than a cruiser is off-limits for me. I am training for an AML Caracal, as I've said, but in the meantime I was looking for something to work till I get there. I think I'll try some of the destroyers.
How well do destroyers stand up against cruisers?
1-Up Mushroom
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#20 - 2011-12-10 03:21:27 UTC
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