Player Features and Ideas Discussion

No one argues the pvp value of the game which is super, but what IS superb, is that if you do not want to, you do not pvp, the best pvp mmo game comes from the larger category most intertwined and difficult mmo, that eve is.

I do not want to shoot anyone. ANYONE, let alone pod them.

Having typed that, i fully understand and i have several times being wardecked and podded, the need for players to act on pvp.

But i beg to differ that pvp is what EVE is about.

I dont think AP to 15 is good. Maybe AP to 5km would be enough. But i would like to remind you few things:
- sitting 20mins doing nothing but clicking jump to gate every other minute, no matter what you think is NOT fun.
- people who have valuable cargo are not using autopilot anyway, so they are hard to gank already
- reducing AP distance is good for casual players making game easier and less clickfest, making at the same time game harder for veterans (or gankers) is also good
- never introduce mechanic to game that most people will bypass using macros, thus forcing other people at disadvantage
- lore: we are far in the future, now explain me, how in the world of high technology, robots etc pilot have to manually navigate because it is faster than AP? It doesnt match for me.

I dont understand why for some people clicking=playing. To me, playing always was to make decisions. Clicking of course is needed but should be reduced to minimum. Forcing people to click so they think, they are playing is bad design imo.

So my comparison may have been bad, but I was just setting the point that travelling isn't really playing the game IMO.



You just verified my point exactly.

If someone in your fleet can't make it to your location and you end up getting popped, well, he was flying manually to make it faster.

This AP system would still be slower, so how would it change anything about the system?
If you can't make it there in time when flying manually, than even with AP warp to 0, you're still not gonna be there in time.


The only thing that can possibly be considered a valid reason not to implement this is high sec ganks.
Yet, I and others have noted that ganking is just as viable on the other side of the gate before the target warps.
Pulling off a gank in high sec should require a skilled player with quick reactions that know's what they're doing.
yet AP warping to 15 means that anyone with a ship that has high enough dps to quickly down the target can pull off a gank.
So skill is a factor. Gate ganking in high sec shouldn't be as easy as doing a lvl 2 mission and just waiting for the target to pop up 15km from the gate. If you wanna gank then gank the same way low sec gate camps do. Their method of ganking requires a lot more skill and knowledge to pull off a good gank. So why do high sec gate gankers get easy kills? Oh, I guess for the same reason it's so easy to pull off wardecs. So that wanna be pvp'ers can feel like they're actually accomplishing something, but yet they're afraid to go where the real fights are and try to take people on in low/null.

It's funny how so many people try to say Eve is "pvp centric" but when they get involved in pvp they try to avoid people that can actually fight back. (I'm not talking about all pvp'ers, just the ones in high sec who thrive of ganks and wardecs.)
Sure, the corp you're deccing or the person you're ganking should have been prepared, but that's not the reason you're ganking or deccing them. You're ganking and deccing them because they're easy kills. If you wanted a challenge you would go to low/null. So ya'll are in high sec for the same reason all those carebears are in high sec. Because you're risk adverse and don't wanna lose your shinies. If you wanna get away with this then it should require a little more skill out of you, and that skill will be shown if you know how to pull off a gank on a target that is fixing to warp out. Not on a target that is slow boating towards you with no one at the helm.

Seriously...Man up and learn how to gank and quit trying to use your lack of ability as a reason for not improving quality of life for everyone else.

You mean Macro? *cohf

I love how we've beatn the arguement down to the pulp.

so super simplified;
1 *it'l make people afk more< but its just traveling wich is not really playing the game in the first place.
2 *but your gearing it towards pve'ers< no if you wanna gank high sec then gets some brains and balls.
3 *it'll help botters< no it'll even the playing field between people who dont bot than people who do and use macro's.
(oh, and the other one 4 *I wanna feel like i earned to travel faster because i want to do it manually< we offered to comprimize for you and implement a delay, (but in reality; your a lazy ganker in desguise, or a troll who enjoys being bored so STFU))

Since its illogical to keep the AP system the same,
I wish ccp would say something. simple question to them. why is AP warp to 15km in place? does our arguments stand up or will you quietly ignore us after all is said and done?

I'm not an industrialist, so I ask this out of curiosity...
Just how much of an advantage does a hauler/ trader get by piloting manually? Over given trade routes how many more runs (and by extension, profit) would you gain over those using AP?
More importantly perhaps, given how boring/ annoying some people feel current travel mechanics are, how many potential competitors are dissuaded from becoming haulers because of travel time?

I realise my last question is impossible to accurately gauge, but it is perhaps something to bear in mind. If AP warp to zero were implemented there may well be a jump in trading activity that would lower profit margins for the current professionals.
Is this something those professionals would be happy to see?

Just curious.

Some of you should start thinking out of the box, or maybe CCP should ... Anyway. Some of you stuck with that 15km range and wont let it change. But what if AP would be changed so it warps to 0 BUT some other player can drop a can at your ship full of marines while it is preparing for warp. Gameplay could look like this: you dont need to click over and over like headless monkey, you just sit and watch if somebody put some suprice on your ship.
You are still traveling as normal but marines are trying to take control of your ship.
When you dont respond quick enough, your crew would fight back but not organized in best possible way considering situation (or it would be something like simple scissors/rock/paper game where attacker would change stances and you being afk would have one default which would be simple to defeat).
This way you have: strategic choice, a need to be in game and playing and not need to click when its not needed.
When you loose, attacker would take control of ship. I think that would spice this game some more.

Its only example just to proove to some of you, that there can be alot more ideas just to make it different and make all people happy. Just think more and post ideas.

And btw people who cry most about that change are people who love to destroy other people fun without risking and picking easy fights. Why anyone should care about they fun in this case? If warp to 0 would mean more low sec fights then i am all for this.

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I'm perfectly fine with delayed AP as long as it's still faster than the current AP travel time.

I suppose you could add time based on the size of the ship because the ship needs to be aligned and at a certain % of their speed before AP will jump them.

However, a delay at the gate they warp to is kinda pointless because if you go to lock them and then try to gun them down, well, they're right next to a gate, so as soon as the delay ends they'll jump right out and you'll get conc'd.

So I say an AP delay when initiating warp is fine, but not on jump. All this means to gankers is they have to catch you before you warp out instead of while you're approaching a gate.

Yeah, but truth be told, the reason why disco ships aren't used very often in high sec is because
1) You can't activate them near a gate(the game won't let you).
2) There are too many npcs near the gate that could be hit by the disco, thus making you conc'd before you even get to hit someone
3) It's not very effective in high sec.

Unless smart bombs pull you out of warp, then I'm sure it would be more dangerous to use them at a high sec gate than it would be beneficial because your odds of catching a player without hitting an npc gate guard are far too low.

I still say that high sec gate ganking should have to rely on the same tactics low sec gate camps use. This will give them plenty of time to pull off a skilled gank, but reduce the overall AP time for all players, thus allowing us to get to actually enjoying the meat of the game.