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Time to bring in the mine sweepers.
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Bilboz
Cranky Old Bastards
#1 - 2011-12-09 20:13:00 UTC
As we are begin afk cloaked camped for the 4 day now. A good debate has gone on over cloaking/greifing. As i hate nerfing in general my answer is to follow the real-life solution navys have used to deal with subs. CCP should put out a cruiser/battlecruiser hull'd ship designed to one purpose only..hunting cloaked ships thru use of mine deployment. these ship would use waypoints/celestrals to deploy a mine with a search radius of x.If a mine has a contact in that radius the mine goes off doing some amount of damage but disabling the cloak for a set period of time. Ok flame away..Idea
Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
#2 - 2011-12-09 20:24:20 UTC
You do realize that someone who is afk can't actually camp or kill you?





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Ana Vyr
Vyral Technologies
#3 - 2011-12-09 20:26:36 UTC
Sounds like a fun option. As long as this ship can only do what you described and cannot tackle on its own, I think it would be fair.
Apollo Gabriel
Kill'em all. Let Bob sort'em out.
Ushra'Khan
#4 - 2011-12-09 20:27:17 UTC
I got ya, here ya go:

0) Be prepared*
1) Get a hauler,
2) Fill it with 50 small containers,
3) Go to gate,
4) Jump,
5) Jettison all the containers
6) Wait for them to follow you,
7) ???
8) Profit.

*Get your buddies to all fit CRUISERS and FRIGATES ONLY, no fuckin battleships. If someone doesn't fit a point, pod him. Repeat if necessary.

Now if he doesn't follow you, he's just afk, no threat. 
Always ... Never ... Forget to check your references.   Peace out Zulu! Hope you land well!
Alexa Coates
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#5 - 2011-12-09 20:29:41 UTC
we had mines.

they were removed for a reason.

That's a Templar, an Amarr fighter used by carriers.
Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
#6 - 2011-12-09 20:36:55 UTC
Apollo Gabriel wrote:
I got ya, here ya go:

0) Be prepared*
1) Get a hauler,
2) Fill it with 50 small containers,
3) Go to gate,
4) Jump,
5) Jettison all the containers
6) Wait for them to follow you,
7) ???
8) Profit.

*Get your buddies to all fit CRUISERS and FRIGATES ONLY, no fuckin battleships. If someone doesn't fit a point, pod him. Repeat if necessary.

Now if he doesn't follow you, he's just afk, no threat.



This is illegal and a bannable offense.

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Hans Jagerblitzen
Ice Fire Warriors
#7 - 2011-12-09 20:41:13 UTC
Doc Fury wrote:
You do realize that someone who is afk can't actually camp or kill you?


QFT.

If you've determined they are permanently AFK, than there is no reason to let them influence your activity. Previously AFK cloaking could be used to farm a plex, but now that CCP fixed that the only reason left for someone to be online for 4 days is just to psych someone out.

Ignore them and move on, and you'll be fine. If you're really so scared to risk doing anything with a cloaked ship in system, Eve probably isn't the game for you. Cloaky ships are everywhere for a whole host of reasons, there isn't much you can do if you're being stalked by a cloaky gang and they manage to get a jump on you anyways.

If you let them keep you from doing anything, you're letting them win.

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Pavel Bidermann
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#8 - 2011-12-09 20:42:10 UTC
The many cans tactic should be viable and not bannable. I cloak a lot and expect that kind of thing. Of all the things that you can get a ban for, that seems pretty stupid.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#9 - 2011-12-09 20:46:28 UTC
Solution in three simple steps:

1. Shoot the guy.
2. Piña Colada.
3. Get caught in the rain.
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
#10 - 2011-12-09 20:52:02 UTC
Bilboz wrote:
As we are begin afk cloaked camped for the 4 day now. A good debate has gone on over cloaking/greifing. As i hate nerfing in general my answer is to follow the real-life solution navys have used to deal with subs. CCP should put out a cruiser/battlecruiser hull'd ship designed to one purpose only..hunting cloaked ships thru use of mine deployment. these ship would use waypoints/celestrals to deploy a mine with a search radius of x.If a mine has a contact in that radius the mine goes off doing some amount of damage but disabling the cloak for a set period of time. Ok flame away..Idea


I have Anaconda and Python mine BPOs.

Tell me how many you need of each and I'll start a production run.

Mr Epeen Cool
Nahrud Zirud
Doomheim
#11 - 2011-12-09 20:52:26 UTC
ive said this before and ill do it again first off this isnt the "ideas section" of the forums so i would post that there. secondly i would like to point out that all clocking devices would give of some for of ambient energy signal. if there was a skill called ohhh idk clocking dectection
and the skill would allow you to pinpoint a location with "x" area per skill level up to "x" ammount then you have to hunt to final area out, would be a very fun and interesting way to tackle this.
Boris Ginnungagap
Doomheim
#12 - 2011-12-09 20:52:27 UTC
Seriously, why do you compare SCIFI MMORPG into naval warfare in 21th century earth?
Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
#13 - 2011-12-09 20:55:15 UTC
Boris Ginnungagap wrote:
Seriously, why do you compare SCIFI MMORPG into naval warfare in 21th century earth?


Its called military escalation.

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Jaroslav Unwanted
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#14 - 2011-12-09 21:00:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Jaroslav Unwanted
Nova Fox wrote:
Apollo Gabriel wrote:
I got ya, here ya go:

0) Be prepared*
1) Get a hauler,
2) Fill it with 50 small containers,
3) Go to gate,
4) Jump,
5) Jettison all the containers
6) Wait for them to follow you,
7) ???
8) Profit.

*Get your buddies to all fit CRUISERS and FRIGATES ONLY, no fuckin battleships. If someone doesn't fit a point, pod him. Repeat if necessary.

Now if he doesn't follow you, he's just afk, no threat.



This is illegal and a bannable offense.


Its not. You can put as many containers as you please until it cause server side lag.. So go figure.

Anyway as far as mine goes... i heard that there was something like that ... but they caused explosion, and been heavily missused, so they took it off... or maybe its just my imagination.. dont know.
FloppieTheBanjoClown
Arcana Imperii Ltd.
#15 - 2011-12-09 21:03:30 UTC
As someone suggested earlier, anchor cans around your gates. Those are your mines, the explosion happens when your prey bumps one and you alpha them.

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Jaroslav Unwanted
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#16 - 2011-12-09 21:04:01 UTC
Anyway..

install cyno jammer ...
be in fleet and dont give a **** about some random cloacky thing..
Jaroslav Unwanted
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#17 - 2011-12-09 21:05:37 UTC
Doc Fury wrote:
You do realize that someone who is afk can't actually camp or kill you?


You do realise that someone who owns material to buid an nuclear missile cant actually kill you ?
right ?,,

oh.. wait...
Jack Tronic
borkedLabs
#18 - 2011-12-09 21:08:25 UTC
Jaroslav Unwanted wrote:
Doc Fury wrote:
You do realize that someone who is afk can't actually camp or kill you?


You do realise that someone who owns material to buid an nuclear missile cant actually kill you ?
right ?,,

oh.. wait...


They can't because they require the knowledge to build one as well.
Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
#19 - 2011-12-09 21:14:24 UTC
jsut be glad that stealth ships are not like real subs/.

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Gizznitt Malikite
Agony Unleashed
Agony Empire
#20 - 2011-12-09 21:19:50 UTC
Pavel Bidermann wrote:
The many cans tactic should be viable and not bannable. I cloak a lot and expect that kind of thing. Of all the things that you can get a ban for, that seems pretty stupid.


It's not bannable....

Your allowed to create space debris to decloak ships. What your NOT allowed to do is create space debris to cause lag. The line between the two is a little hazy and up to GM judgement, but for the most part, using space debris is a legitimate tactic.
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